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Lamar Jackson requests trade

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tukafan21 Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, he's messed up everything about this. There's nothing he hasn't messed up.

When his career is said and done he probably would've had hundreds of millions more in career earnings all to try to save 3%.

Oh yea, he made $23 million last year on the 5th year option and would be set to earn $32 million this year on the franchise tag, or a total of $55 million for the two years.

He supposedly turned down $133 million fully guaranteed over 3 years before last season.  

Had he signed that deal, after this year (assuming he plays on the tag for arguments sake) would have already made $88 million and then would have a decision to make.  Try and work out a new contract after the season or play one more year for another $44 million and then become a Free Agent, likely without being able to be tagged as he would have had that in the extension I'd guess.

Having an agent would have been able to make him realize this, but sure guy, convince yourself that acting as your own agent is smart because you turned down a monster deal.

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6 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Lamar Jackson doesn't care about going to a contending team....he wants his bag.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Lamar, may wind up finding there is very few teams willing to pay anywhere close to what he thinks he deserves.

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9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Nah no thanks. You clearly haven't watched Lamar Jackson play football.

 

Giving him a talent like Pitts would be hell for us. Atlanta already has more weapons than he ever had in Baltimore. They also improved on defense. They would be favorites to win the NFC South easily.

 

Stay in the AFC.

His career high is 3,100 passing yards and last year before getting hurt was only averaging 186 yards a game.

Yes, I know he has his rushing yards, but my point is that part of his game going to decline fast and/or he's going to keep missing time from the hits piling up, like with Cam.

He had a better TE than Pitts with Andrews, not like I'm afraid of Lamar all of a sudden being unstoppable because he has Pitts.

He might make them a tough team to beat for a year or two when he's playing, but it would overall hurt their franchise moving forward.  If Lamar ends up outside of Baltimore, in a few years it will be looked back upon as a worse trade and new contract than Russell Wilson and the Broncos wherever he ends up, so I'd love to see it with a division rival.

He's a worse passer than Cam with a body not even close to Cam's in regards to being built to withstand hits over the years.

Thinking Lamar's career is going to go uphill when Cam's started to go downhill is just asinine 

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15 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Maybe teams are waiting after the draft so they don't have to trade their pick for this year?

 

 

That was my idea. This panthers team with lamar and full boat of picks form 9, 39, 61, etc.... Along with coaching staff, should have been a shoe-in for decent playoff run (at min)......

Many teams are having issues dealing with lamar and lamar about his contract/demands....but hes got that alllllllll figured out, just ask him.....

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26 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Oh I agree he wont last long term. Im talking about these next few years. Add Lamar to the Falcons they win this division imo. 

 

You say he is a worst passer than Cam but he wins way more than Cam as well. I love Cam but he had 1 great season. Lamar has been winning every since he was drafted.

 

 

Yea, with one of the better coaches in the league in Harbaugh.

I don’t care what his teams have done in the past, I’m looking at his future as a QB and I don’t think it’s that bright or will be that long.

Just that he’s not signed by the Ravens yet also tells me they think that as well, or else they’d have given him what he wanted by now, and they know him better than anyone else.

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27 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

That's all I needed to know.

 

 

What’s that?

That I am able to use my brain and separate past team success with future individual performance based on their skills and ability to stay healthy?

Because last I checked, that’s all that matters, not what did you do for a different team in the past, but what you can do for your current/new team in the future.

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5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You basically telling me you don't care what players accomplished in the past.

What you think players get signed for in FA?

You think we signed Thelien for his upside?

You sound crazy my guy in the most respectful way possible.

He's correct.

Players aren't signed for what they've done, but for what it's believed they will do. Past success can be used as a gauge but NFL executives know the phrase "past performance does not guarantee of future success" very well.

New contracts aren't a reward, they're an investment.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

He's correct.

Players aren't signed for what they've done, but for what it's believed they will do. Past success can be used as a gauge but NFL executives know the phrase "past performance does not guarantee of future success" very well.

New contracts aren't a reward, they're an investment.

lol no kidding, saying I sound crazy for not wanting to pay someone for past accomplishments is.... well, interesting.

Clearly the majority of the league feels this way, as well as the Ravens, or else something would have happened by now.

They don't view him as a player who should re-set the QB market, particularly in a year that is likely to see Burrow and Herbert sign new deals, two players with significantly higher upside than Lamar (and no, it's not a white vs black thing, so don't go there).  Each of them already played better than Lamar the last 2 years and their game isn't predicated on their running ability while already not able to finish those last two years as well.

Nobody is questioning what Lamar has done in the past and not saying he isn't worth the risk of having him as your QB right now as if healthy, he clearly is a difference maker.  But to give up multiple first round picks (and possibly more) to then have to make him the highest paid QB in the league on a guaranteed contract, is a massive risk given his style of game and recent injury history.  

Say he ends up playing this year on the franchise tag and gets hurt yet again and it costs the Ravens either making the playoffs or ability to win in them.  

Would you then give him a $45-50 million a year deal that is fully guaranteed for over 3 years?  Would you give up the draft picks on top of that to then give him the contact?

Of course not and teams recognize that, as do the Ravens.  

I think this ends with him not getting the contract he wants after a trade or playing the year on the franchise tag with the stipulation that he can't be tagged again.  Because if he really made this request 3 weeks ago and someone was willing to pay that cost, a deal would have been done by now.

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54 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You think we signed Thelien for his upside?

 

Oh, and no, Thielen wasn't signed for his upside, he was signed for what he can do immediately for this team and what we paid him is what it took to get him.

As soon as we made the trade, Thielen was my #1 want in Free Agency, hands down.

It was a weak WR class so we really weren't going to get a true #1 WR anyways, and Thielen is an ultimate pro who runs great routes, has outstanding hands, and is a red zone monster because his specialty is 10 yard routes.

Short of a legit stud #1 WR, which we couldn't get, Thielen is the exactly perfect WR to sign when you're going to be starting a rookie QB from day 1.

So no, we didn't pay him for his past, we paid him for what he's going to do for us right now and in the future, and that's be the best friend of a Rookie QB, the ultimate check down pass catcher.

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