Just for the sake of discussion, is there a correlation between size and injury?

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, rayzor said:

Can't live in fear. Got to swing for the fences and take a chance. We've seen players of all sizes have injuries happen that shorten their career and you can't predict really any of them. What if he takes a crazy hit and his career ends in 2 years? But what if he doesn't take any serious injuries and he plays at Mahommes level or better for a 10-15 years? 

If he's capable of doing great things...you've got to focus on that. 

Sure you cant live in fear but you can also make educated decisions.  And the fact that no qb has ever been that small should absolutely factor into the equation.   Again IMO, the kid is just too small to be taking one overall especially considering what you gave up to get there.  17 games is a long time and is hard on everyones body.

[rodeo]

the most ironic and therefor the most likely outcome is that we draft Stroud because of worry and then Stroud gets hurt and Bryce doesn't

[rayzor]

2 minutes ago, rodeo said:

the most ironic and therefor the most likely outcome is that we draft Stroud because of worry and then Stroud gets hurt and Bryce doesn't

exactly. you can't know. there's no guarantee of health or injury for any player.

[rayzor]

12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sure you cant live in fear but you can also make educated decisions.  And the fact that no qb has ever been that small should absolutely factor into the equation.   Again IMO, the kid is just too small to be taking one overall especially considering what you gave up to get there.  17 games is a long time and is hard on everyones body.

but and respectfully, it's not an educated conclusion that since he's smaller than any other QB that he will get hurt or that since he is smaller than any other QB he is more likely to get hurt. The fact that he's would be the smallest would be a fact that stands on its own. it doesn't need any other context than he's small.

i mean what's the cutoff for what is a safe size?

and don't take any of this to mean i'm picking Young over CJ. I'm high on both of them. 

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

but and respectfully, it's not an educated conclusion that since he's smaller than any other QB that he will get hurt or that since he is smaller than any other QB he is more likely to get hurt. The fact that he's would be the smallest would be a fact that stands on its own. it doesn't need any other context than he's small.

i mean what's the cutoff for what is a safe size?

and don't take any of this to mean i'm picking Young over CJ. I'm high on both of them. 

 

Our HC seems to think his size leads to some durability concerns.  It's just something that shouldn't be ignored.  Is it the reason we should pass on Young at 1?  Not necessarily, but it has to weigh in on the decision.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, rayzor said:

but and respectfully, it's not an educated conclusion that since he's smaller than any other QB that he will get hurt or that since he is smaller than any other QB he is more likely to get hurt. The fact that he's would be the smallest would be a fact that stands on its own. it doesn't need any other context than he's small.

i mean what's the cutoff for what is a safe size?

and don't take any of this to mean i'm picking Young over CJ. I'm high on both of them. 

There is a reason there are not a gluttony of small qbs in the nfl and I think you know the reason for it.   If size didnt matter then you simply would see more.  They get weeded out, hurt etc at the lower levels.  Everyone agrees Young is the abnormally and I dont want to spend the #1 on an outlier of all outliers. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

 

Our HC seems to think his size leads to some durability concerns.  It's just something that shouldn't be ignored.  Is it the reason we should pass on Young at 1?  Not necessarily, but it has to weigh in on the decision.

well there it is then and should pretty much end this debate

[frankw]

The random "freak" injuries can happen to anyone. Especially lower body injuries. Ankles rolled or twisted legs being extended ways they weren't meant to be. Any of these things can happen to any QB and especially within the pocket where so much can be going on at any given moment. Now moving into upper body injuries and concussions that's the main area where a smaller framed QB would be more susceptible to issues IMO. But all this goes back to investing in the OL and continuing to address depth. We all love Bozeman but we should still look ahead for our future young QB. I want to see us draft a center of the future next year.

Edited March 28, 2023 by frankw

[mrcompletely11]

Sweet Christ

 

[rayzor]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

There is a reason there are not a gluttony of small qbs in the nfl and I think you know the reason for it.   If size didnt matter then you simply would see more.  They get weeded out, hurt etc at the lower levels.  Everyone agrees Young is the abnormally and I dont want to spend the #1 on an outlier of all outliers. 

i don't know...i think you're reading too much into this idea that there hasn't been anyone this small to play the position in the pros. there's always going to be someone who is the biggest, the smallest, the oldest, the youngest, the darkest, etc. there's always going to be someone who does what hasn't been done before and when you give someone a chance the next reaction will be, "why haven't we done this before?"

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sweet Christ

 

It's easy to take a both sides approach to this debate. But man sometimes Bryce makes Russel Wilson Drew Brees and even Kyler Murray look big by comparison. You just can't downplay it.

[rayzor]

8 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

 

Our HC seems to think his size leads to some durability concerns.  It's just something that shouldn't be ignored.  Is it the reason we should pass on Young at 1?  Not necessarily, but it has to weigh in on the decision.

but is it enough of a weight to decide to not draft him at 1? compare that with all the other things being brought to the table and i just don't think it's enough to say "nah...i'll pass." 

if you have him and CJ completely level in all regards except for size, i guess you'd go for the bigger one, i don't know. i just don't see it as the major concern everyone else does. it's an issue, but not enough to just say no to the guy.

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

but is it enough of a weight to decide to not draft him at 1? compare that with all the other things being brought to the table and i just don't think it's enough to say "nah...i'll pass." 

if you have him and CJ completely level in all regards except for size, i guess you'd go for the bigger one, i don't know. i just don't see it as the major concern everyone else does. it's an issue, but not enough to just say no to the guy.

That's all fair and I think that is what our HC is saying.  Does everything else he does so well overcompensate for his lack of ideal size?  That's up to our staff to decide.  My opinion is Stroud isn't far behind him in processing and accuracy (might be more accurate) without the size concerns so I would prefer him, but that's just me.  Young is a great prospect too, but his size shouldn't be overlooked.