John Ellis on Stroud v Young

[TheSpecialJuan]

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Head coach Frank Reich’s system is rooted in West Coast schemes, and he loves to give his quarterbacks multiple progressions utilizing mesh concepts. This offense is made for C.J. Stroud. Stroud is at his best when he is in rhythm and allowed to make timed throws. He reads defenses well and can layer throws at any level, which will be highlighted in Reich’s system. Stroud is the safest pick and one that the Panthers should be making.

https://www.footballguys.com/article/2023-kevin-coleman-nfl-mock-draft

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think so. I'd keep him and try to develop him as a backup. I just don't think our new staff sees anything in him. I mean, have they said a single word about the guy? It's like he doesn't exist.

Agreed they haven't said anything.  There really isn't anything to say.  They have very little first hand knowledge about him.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH MATT RHULE.

He could come in and really shine or he could just be another guy.  I think he will do much better with Reich and McCown as his coaches. It will be really nice if he actually shows he can play and we have a solid backup to our future QB. 

I wouldn't say they don't have any plans for him.  Develop him and who knows maybe we get another pick or two for him.  

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Agreed they haven't said anything.  There really isn't anything to say.  They have very little first hand knowledge about him.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH MATT RHULE.

He could come in and really shine or he could just be another guy.  I think he will do much better with Reich and McCown as his coaches. It will be really nice if he actually shows he can play and we have a solid backup to our future QB. 

I wouldn't say they don't have any plans for him.  Develop him and who knows maybe we get another pick or two for him.  

Hopefully. But I honestly think there's a decent chance he's not even on the roster this year.

[bythenbrs]

59 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Welp, that'll be enough of that. The trolling ran it's course.

Please do it.  This is over the top.

[bythenbrs]

1 hour ago, gibran said:

if yall didnt want to cuck out and take a guy cause hes 6'3" and struggles to finesse anything vs a guy whos proven a lot more because yall are size queens than i wouldnt have to 

This is cringe worthy.  Please, have some self respect.  

[Wes21]

On 3/26/2023 at 6:39 PM, rightturn said:

Pedestrian supporting cast.    Interesting 

After watching the film I have the stance that Bryce makes his supporting cast look worse than it is.  When he turns down open throws in structure to play out of structure, it makes it seem like noone was open.  And since he's holding onto the ball so long, it makes it seem like the line can't block because the pass rush gets to him.  

There are plays that CJ throws a dime on time for an easy completion and Bryce in a similar setup turns down the throw and starts dancing around before trying to throw a hero ball.

[DaveThePanther2008]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hopefully. But I honestly think there's a decent chance he's not even on the roster this year.

IMO that would be stupid. We at least have to see what he has.  Makes no sense to cut him.  I see Eason going before Corral. 

[Aussie Tank]

50 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

IMO that would be stupid. We at least have to see what he has.  Makes no sense to cut him.  I see Eason going before Corral. 

Eason has history with Reich 

[Martin]

11 hours ago, Wes21 said:

After watching the film I have the stance that Bryce makes his supporting cast look worse than it is.  When he turns down open throws in structure to play out of structure, it makes it seem like noone was open.  And since he's holding onto the ball so long, it makes it seem like the line can't block because the pass rush gets to him.  

There are plays that CJ throws a dime on time for an easy completion and Bryce in a similar setup turns down the throw and starts dancing around before trying to throw a hero ball.

I haven’t seen many Bama games, but this is my concern. He’s awesome at out of structure plays, but does he actually do so many of them because he isn’t taking what’s already there? That’s my impression from the limited games I’ve seen. And that’s one more reason why I’m in the Stroud camp.

[gmonjimbo]

12 hours ago, Wes21 said:

After watching the film I have the stance that Bryce makes his supporting cast look worse than it is.  When he turns down open throws in structure to play out of structure, it makes it seem like noone was open.  And since he's holding onto the ball so long, it makes it seem like the line can't block because the pass rush gets to him.  

There are plays that CJ throws a dime on time for an easy completion and Bryce in a similar setup turns down the throw and starts dancing around before trying to throw a hero ball.

I have to respectfully disagree. I'm an LSU fan so I watch the SEC West closely. This past season was the worst supporting cast of receivers that Alabama has had in a while. Their RB, Jahmyr Gibbs was their best offensive threat and should be a late first - early second round pick. Jermaine Burton leading receiver (677) was a transfer from Georgia and JaCorey Brooks second-leading receiver this year, was their 8th leading last year. 

To me this is actually one of the selling points of Bryce Young. I got to see what he looked like without Jameson Williams and John Metchie, who combined for 2700+ receiving yards and 20+ TDs the previous year. That is a lot of production to replace, yet Alabama was in every game it played and lost by a combined 4 points to Tennesse and my LSU Tigers. 

[Wes21]

38 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

I have to respectfully disagree. I'm an LSU fan so I watch the SEC West closely. This past season was the worst supporting cast of receivers that Alabama has had in a while. Their RB, Jahmyr Gibbs was their best offensive threat and should be a late first - early second round pick. Jermaine Burton leading receiver (677) was a transfer from Georgia and JaCorey Brooks second-leading receiver this year, was their 8th leading last year. 

To me this is actually one of the selling points of Bryce Young. I got to see what he looked like without Jameson Williams and John Metchie, who combined for 2700+ receiving yards and 20+ TDs the previous year. That is a lot of production to replace, yet Alabama was in every game it played and lost by a combined 4 points to Tennesse and my LSU Tigers. 

What you just said is certainly the narrative of the season and Bryce Young's situation.  I ran with that until we jumped up to the #1 pick.  That's when I went back and actually reviewed the film.  The film tells a different story.  Bryce was turning down open throws and I have been posting play after play where it has happened.  I will give some more examples.

On this play there are 3 different guys that are different versions of "open."  I'd say the guy standing at the far sideline is the hardest throw to make.  However, if you look at CJ Stroud's game film he would already be in his throwing motion at the point where I snapped this pic.  One of the receivers would have caught it and it would have looked like an easy pass and catch.  On to the next play.  Bryce didn't throw it to any of these guys.  He threw the ball away and the announcer said "nobody was open so Bryce just gets rid of it."

[Wolfcop]

2 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

What you just said is certainly the narrative of the season and Bryce Young's situation.  I ran with that until we jumped up to the #1 pick.  That's when I went back and actually reviewed the film.  The film tells a different story.  Bryce was turning down open throws and I have been posting play after play where it has happened.  I will give some more examples.

On this play there are 3 different guys that are different versions of "open."  I'd say the guy standing at the far sideline is the hardest throw to make.  However, if you look at CJ Stroud's game film he would already be in his throwing motion at the point where I snapped this pic.  One of the receivers would have caught it and it would have looked like an easy pass and catch.  On to the next play.  Bryce didn't throw it to any of these guys.  He threw the ball away and the announcer said "nobody was open so Bryce just gets rid of it."

Stuff like this is largely ignored by the media, but I guarantee you that our staff is picking up on it. CJ is going to be a better NFL QB. 

[Bluetooth]

14 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

What you just said is certainly the narrative of the season and Bryce Young's situation.  I ran with that until we jumped up to the #1 pick.  That's when I went back and actually reviewed the film.  The film tells a different story.  Bryce was turning down open throws and I have been posting play after play where it has happened.  I will give some more examples.

On this play there are 3 different guys that are different versions of "open."  I'd say the guy standing at the far sideline is the hardest throw to make.  However, if you look at CJ Stroud's game film he would already be in his throwing motion at the point where I snapped this pic.  One of the receivers would have caught it and it would have looked like an easy pass and catch.  On to the next play.  Bryce didn't throw it to any of these guys.  He threw the ball away and the announcer said "nobody was open so Bryce just gets rid of it."

...so do you study film or just skim through it..

here's another play Stroud all day...could've took positive yards with the checkdown to rb coming out of the back field...instead negative yard passing play...

Edited March 28, 2023 by Bluetooth

[Wes21]

Here is a kid that smokes the defense and Bryce makes the throw from a clean pocket.  Stroud would put this on the money and the kid would walk in for a TD and everyone would say it was an easy pass and catch.  I marked where Bryce put the ball with a green dot.

Here is another one that is an easy pass and catch for Stroud.  The kid settles in the zone and is open.  Bryce turns down this pass to scramble around and throw a more difficult pass for a touchdown.