Has Fitterer ever talked about CJ?

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, stratocatter said:

Seems like people for Young are being more aggressive with the justifications. Napoleon complex maybe?  Don’t know how many more times people can say no thank you nicely  

How about this: how many Young advocates are 6’3” or thereabouts and how many are under 6’? I have a presumed outcome here. 

I like Stroud and I'm 5'10" ¼ just like Bryce

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Bryce Young can add 20 pounds of sheer muscle but CJ can't be near as smart of a QB as Bryce lol.

Goddamn ya'll dickriding.

[csx]

3 hours ago, onmyown said:

That’s exactly what he’s doing, and if I’m not mistaken, he had little to do with that. In fact he has basically zero experience. And Rhule hired him. Tep clung on. Hmmm seems familiar. God help us if Fit has really any say in this. He needs to let the qualified football people decide. And I don’t mean Reich. Reich is the kind of guy that thinks faith similar to his, and the ‘amount’ of it is some sort of factor.

This guy

[ForJimmy]

7 hours ago, Ivory Panther said:

U r playing dumb…i can’t help u. 

When I use your quotes and you think it’s dumb….  

[Daddy_Uncle]

I'm ready for the draft to be over. I can't deal with some of you. 

[frankw]

6 hours ago, top dawg said:

To be clear I like both as individuals and their intangibles. I think both could have success with this staff. It's the extreme arguments in favor of one over the other that are making any rational discourse near impossible. For all the talk of pro Stroud fans I feel they are mostly reasonable and realistic aside from a few. The same cannot be said for the Bryce fans it's basically the opposite. There are a few reasonable folks but then many many more who want to knock CJ and ignore the fairly blatant flags with Young and his playing weight while comparing him to Michael Jordan Steph Curry Bruce Lee and whoever will be next on the list. Again. I'll accept either. But I think if we go BY Stroud will have a really good or great career with whichever team selects him and they will always be connected.

[therealmjl]

9 hours ago, Shocker said:

Young is the best QB folks

It’s true

Young is the best QB folks

Edited March 24, 2023 by therealmjl

[MHS831]

10 hours ago, Ivory Panther said:

This was well said. It’s a tough decision for certain.

for me, QB is primarily mental. When I see who I consider top QBs of all time or even currently, what set them aside, is the mental aspect of the game. 
They are usually not the fastest, the strongest, the tallest. The come in all shape & size but the common denominator is always mental processing & ability to rise to the moment most of the time. 
i think bryce has that! 

When I look at the smaller QBs in the NFL, I am not seeing a history of injuries that exceeds the larger QBs--the large QBs, the running QBs, etc.  get hurt too.  But Young is pretty slender for 5-10, so I dunno.  Can he protect himself in the pocket?  Yes, for the most part.  Can we protect him?  Yes.  If we have an offense that gets rid of the ball quickly, which is what Reich tries to do, then his size is not as important as we are making it out to be--yes, he could get hurt, but so could Stroud.  There is risk with either QB.

[Call Me James]

9 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Fitts has never gotten to pick his QB. He always had to go get the reclamation project Rhule wanted. The only QB he did pick Rhule never even tried to develop. 

Then why would we care now? I doubt he has anymore say today than he did then. 

[ForJimmy]

21 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

When I look at the smaller QBs in the NFL, I am not seeing a history of injuries that exceeds the larger QBs--the large QBs, the running QBs, etc.  get hurt too.  But Young is pretty slender for 5-10, so I dunno.  Can he protect himself in the pocket?  Yes, for the most part.  Can we protect him?  Yes.  If we have an offense that gets rid of the ball quickly, which is what Reich tries to do, then his size is not as important as we are making it out to be--yes, he could get hurt, but so could Stroud.  There is risk with either QB.

The only issue I see with that is the whole offense that gets the ball out fast comment. It’s true that how smaller QBs like Brees protect themselves, but that takes away one of Young’s best attributes in his ability to extend plays. Stroud actually fits that style of offense better, but a QB with Young’s size should be playing that style in the NFL. It’s a back and forth conversation because it’s a strong argument for both players.

[top dawg]

11 minutes ago, frankw said:

To be clear I like both as individuals and their intangibles. I think both could have success with this staff. It's the extreme arguments in favor of one over the other that are making any rational discourse near impossible. For all the talk of pro Stroud fans I feel they are mostly reasonable and realistic aside from a few. The same cannot be said for the Bryce fans it's basically the opposite. There are a few reasonable folks but then many many more who want to knock CJ and ignore the fairly blatant flags with Young and his playing weight while comparing him to Michael Jordan Steph Curry Bruce Lee and whoever will be next on the list. Again. I'll accept either. But I think if we go BY Stroud will have a really good or great career with whichever team selects him and they will always be connected.

Nah, dude. It's the opposite. Stroud lovers seem to simply want to gulp down the Young Haterade with impunity. But I just simply call people on their bullsh¡t. Young's red flag, if you want to call it that, is his size, pure and simple. That's pretty much it. He has been the better QB thus far, and I don't even think that's even provocative. If he were 3½ inches taller and 25 pounds heavier, there wouldn't even be a real discussion because he would be the consensus top pick. 

You keep saying that people are knocking Stroud. Where are all these knocks on Stroud? People generally like Stroud. His Georgia game was excellent. He followed it up (albeit in underwear) looking as smooth a thrower as you'll ever want to see at the Combine--while Young observed--and his pro day. Just because people may mention that he had better receivers last season, or that he hasn't proven to be nearly as efficient when pressured, or that he is not as great off-script as Young doesn't mean that he won't end up being a better fit for us, or QB overall. Only their pro careers will determine that.

People are nitpicking--err, really picking Young's poor little bones ad nauseam based on injury projections, notwithstanding that he's been about as healthy as they come throughout his career. 

You say you'll be happy with either, but it seems like a good amount of your posts are based on low-key dogging out Young supporters for overlooking his size and being in Stroud's "amen" corner simply because of his size (meaning, that he's not a Smurf like people seem to think Young is).

 

 

 

[Ivory Panther]

29 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Nah, dude. It's the opposite. Stroud lovers seem to simply want to gulp down the Young Haterade with impunity. But I just simply call people on their bullsh¡t. Young's red flag, if you want to call it that, is his size, pure and simple. That's pretty much it. He has been the better QB thus far, and I don't even think that's even provocative. If he were 3½ inches taller and 25 pounds heavier, there wouldn't even be a real discussion because he would be the consensus top pick. 

You keep saying that people are knocking Stroud. Where are all these knocks on Stroud? People generally like Stroud. His Georgia game was excellent. He followed it up (albeit in underwear) looking as smooth a thrower as you'll ever want to see at the Combine--while Young observed--and his pro day. Just because people may mention that he had better receivers last season, or that he hasn't proven to be nearly as efficient when pressured, or that he is not as great off-script as Young doesn't mean that he won't end up being a better fit for us, or QB overall. Only their pro careers will determine that.

People are nitpicking--err, really picking Young's poor little bones ad nauseam based on injury projections, notwithstanding that he's been about as healthy as they come throughout his career. 

You say you'll be happy with either, but it seems like a good amount of your posts are based on low-key dogging out Young supporters for overlooking his size and being in Stroud's "amen" corner simply because of his size (meaning, that he's not a Smurf like people seem to think Young is).

 

 

 

Perfectly said!!!

[frankw]

34 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Nah, dude. It's the opposite. Stroud lovers seem to simply want to gulp down the Young Haterade with impunity. But I just simply call people on their bullsh¡t. Young's red flag, if you want to call it that, is his size, pure and simple. That's pretty much it. He has been the better QB thus far, and I don't even think that's even provocative. If he were 3½ inches taller and 25 pounds heavier, there wouldn't even be a real discussion because he would be the consensus top pick. 

You keep saying that people are knocking Stroud. Where are all these knocks on Stroud? People generally like Stroud. His Georgia game was excellent. He followed it up (albeit in underwear) looking as smooth a thrower as you'll ever want to see at the Combine--while Young observed--and his pro day. Just because people may mention that he had better receivers last season, or that he hasn't proven to be nearly as efficient when pressured, or that he is not as great off-script as Young doesn't mean that he won't end up being a better fit for us, or QB overall. Only their pro careers will determine that.

People are nitpicking--err, really picking Young's poor little bones ad nauseam based on injury projections, notwithstanding that he's been about as healthy as they come throughout his career. 

You say you'll be happy with either, but it seems like a good amount of your posts are based on low-key dogging out Young supporters for overlooking his size and being in Stroud's "amen" corner simply because of his size (meaning, that he's not a Smurf like people seem to think Young is).

 

 

 

Well sounds like you're definitely firmly a believer. That's cool man. The major concern I have is Young's true playing weight. It clearly isn't 204. 190ish at best sounds likely and skipping the weigh in at his own pro day with all the questions about his frame is just weaksauce for a guy who could be the future first overall pick. And I'm just saying but when cringy folks like Ivory Panther who question how cerebral Stroud is are in your corner it's not cute. Check the people around you. Anywho enjoy the draft big guy!

Edited March 24, 2023 by frankw

[OldhamA]

9 hours ago, jfra78 said:

I like Stroud and I'm 5'10" ¼ just like Bryce

You're actually taller than Young.