Panthers are taking Stroud, and Houston knows it

[Soul Rebel]

6 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

This tells me that Houston knows they are getting Bryce Young at #1.

Carolina agrees to trade the #1 pick to the Texans as long as the Texans do what they want. They have agreed to compensation and that the Texans will not pursue Stroud.

Now, the Panthers set their targets on convincing the Colts to trade up for Stroud. So, an army shows up for the Panthers and no one shows up for the Texans. What does this tell the Colts? It tells them that they are not getting Young and if they want Stroud, they need to agree to a deal with the Panthers.

I expect the Colts and Texans to not be showing up at all to Levis and Richardson pro days.

The Panthers meant it when they said they wanted to control the draft, and they are doing it one pro day at a time.

I expect the Panthers to get the #2, #12, #33, and 2024 2nd round pick from the Texans in exchange for Young.

Before Levis' pro day, I expect the Panthers to have an agreement made with the Colts for the #4, #35, TE Jelani Woods, and 2024 1st round pick from the Colts in exchange for position for Stroud. Also, the Colts will agree to not show up to the pro days for Levis and Richardson.

At this point, the Panthers line up the Seahawks, Lions, and Raiders for the position to get their QB. One of them will give up picks to jump to the #4 spot for their pick of QB. I believe it will be the Lions wanting to jump the Seahawks for Richardson. Lions give up their #6, #18, 2024 2nd round pick, and 2024 5th round pick.

The Panthers arrange a deal with Raiders to move up to 6 and take Will Levis contingent on the Seahawks passing on Levis. Raiders give up #7, #38, 2024 1st round and 2024 4th round.

Panthers trade #18 and a 2024 1st round pick for Lamar Jackson.

Panthers turn #9, #61, 2024 1st round, 2025 2nd round, and DJ Moore into...

Panthers have #7, #12, #33, #35, #38, #39, QB Lamar Jackson, TE Jelani Woods, 2024 1st round pick, 2x 2024 2nd round pick, 2024 4th round pick, and 2024 5th round pick.

Panthers draft DT/DE Jalen Carter, WR Quentin Johnston, EDGE Nolan Smith, NT/DT Siaki Ika, NT/DT Mazi Smith, RB Israel Abanikanda, TE Zach Kuntz, RB Chase Brown, WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton, and DB Cory Trice Jr with their 10 draft picks.

QB-Lamar Jackson/Andy Dalton

RB-Miles Sanders/Israel Abanikanda/Chase Brown

TE-Hayden Hurst/Jelani Woods/Zach Kuntz/Tommy Tremble

WR-Quentin Johnston/Adam Thielen/(DJ Chark)/Terrace Marshall Jr/Bryce Ford-Wheaton/Laviska Shenault

OL-Bradley Bozeman/Taylor Moton/Austin Corbett/Ikem Ekwonu/Brady Christensen

DL-Derrick Brown/Siaki Ika/Mazi Smith/Jalen Carter

EDGE-Brian Burns/Nolan Smith

ILB-Jeremy Chinn/Shaq Thompson/Frankie Luvu

CB-Jaycee Horn/CJ Henderson/Cory Trice Jr/Donte Jackson

S-Vonn Bell/Xavier Woods

 

Not exactly what I would want, believe are the best players in the draft, or believe will be the best in the NFL. This is what I believe Reich/Fitterer/Tepper will want to achieve going in to the 2023 season. Let's see it play out. Tepper is going to take the entire NFL for a wild ride in the draft just like he has with this coaching staff. It doesn't stop with trading up for the #1 pick and simply drafting a QB.

[The Lobo]

8 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

This tells me that Houston knows they are getting Bryce Young at #1.

Carolina agrees to trade the #1 pick to the Texans as long as the Texans do what they want. They have agreed to compensation and that the Texans will not pursue Stroud.

Now, the Panthers set their targets on convincing the Colts to trade up for Stroud. So, an army shows up for the Panthers and no one shows up for the Texans. What does this tell the Colts? It tells them that they are not getting Young and if they want Stroud, they need to agree to a deal with the Panthers.

I expect the Colts and Texans to not be showing up at all to Levis and Richardson pro days.

The Panthers meant it when they said they wanted to control the draft, and they are doing it one pro day at a time.

I expect the Panthers to get the #2, #12, #33, and 2024 2nd round pick from the Texans in exchange for Young.

Before Levis' pro day, I expect the Panthers to have an agreement made with the Colts for the #4, #35, TE Jelani Woods, and 2024 1st round pick from the Colts in exchange for position for Stroud. Also, the Colts will agree to not show up to the pro days for Levis and Richardson.

At this point, the Panthers line up the Seahawks, Lions, and Raiders for the position to get their QB. One of them will give up picks to jump to the #4 spot for their pick of QB. I believe it will be the Lions wanting to jump the Seahawks for Richardson. Lions give up their #6, #18, 2024 2nd round pick, and 2024 5th round pick.

The Panthers arrange a deal with Raiders to move up to 6 and take Will Levis contingent on the Seahawks passing on Levis. Raiders give up #7, #38, 2024 1st round and 2024 4th round.

Panthers trade #18 and a 2024 1st round pick for Lamar Jackson.

Panthers turn #9, #61, 2024 1st round, 2025 2nd round, and DJ Moore into...

Panthers have #7, #12, #33, #35, #38, #39, QB Lamar Jackson, TE Jelani Woods, 2024 1st round pick, 2x 2024 2nd round pick, 2024 4th round pick, and 2024 5th round pick.

Panthers draft DT/DE Jalen Carter, WR Quentin Johnston, EDGE Nolan Smith, NT/DT Siaki Ika, NT/DT Mazi Smith, RB Israel Abanikanda, TE Zach Kuntz, RB Chase Brown, WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton, and DB Cory Trice Jr with their 10 draft picks.

QB-Lamar Jackson/Andy Dalton

RB-Miles Sanders/Israel Abanikanda/Chase Brown

TE-Hayden Hurst/Jelani Woods/Zach Kuntz/Tommy Tremble

WR-Quentin Johnston/Adam Thielen/(DJ Chark)/Terrace Marshall Jr/Bryce Ford-Wheaton/Laviska Shenault

OL-Bradley Bozeman/Taylor Moton/Austin Corbett/Ikem Ekwonu/Brady Christensen

DL-Derrick Brown/Siaki Ika/Mazi Smith/Jalen Carter

EDGE-Brian Burns/Nolan Smith

ILB-Jeremy Chinn/Shaq Thompson/Frankie Luvu

CB-Jaycee Horn/CJ Henderson/Cory Trice Jr/Donte Jackson

S-Vonn Bell/Xavier Woods

 

Not exactly what I would want, believe are the best players in the draft, or believe will be the best in the NFL. This is what I believe Reich/Fitterer/Tepper will want to achieve going in to the 2023 season. Let's see it play out. Tepper is going to take the entire NFL for a wild ride in the draft just like he has with this coaching staff. It doesn't stop with trading up for the #1 pick and simply drafting a QB.

Don’t you have to have your original first round picks to do the Lamar trade on the tag? 

[Soul Rebel]

I think what it will come down to is if the Panthers braintrust has these guys as equal for different reasons and truly happy with either one in their system, then a trade down with HOU is possible. 

We make it simple...

• #1 overall to HOU
• #2 overall + 2024 First Round Pick to CAR

Houston probably ends up in the top-10 next year again and we do everything we can to move up for Harrison, Jr. or Egbuka with the Houston pick + whatever. 

Draft our TE1 of the future this year at 39 and have our future HOF WR next year. 

The Burrow/Chase model 2.0 in Carolina. 

Edited March 23, 2023 by Soul Rebel

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Soul Rebel said:

I think what it will come down to is if the Panthers braintrust has these guys as equal for different reasons and truly happy with either one in their system, then a trade down with HOU is possible. 

We make it simple...

• #1 overall to HOU
• #2 overall + 2024 First Round Pick to CAR

Houston probably ends up in the top-10 next year again and we do everything we can to move up for Harrison, Jr. with the Houston pick + whatever. 

Draft our TE1 of the future this year at 39 and have our future HOF WR next year. 

The Burrow/Chase model 2.0 in Carolina. 

I’ve said from the start that I want Stroud and only way I’m swapping with Houston is if we know they’re taking Young.

But even if we know for sure, they have to pay thru the nose to make sure they get their guy, I want #2, #12, and 2024 1st, might settle for their 2nd this year instead of #12 though.

Anything short of that and we just take our guy, as you also don’t want that guy you draft to be upset that you passed on him at #1 and risked losing them, but if you get all those picks and can convince him you knew they were taking the other guy, then it looks better than risking it for one extra pick.

[CRA]

 

[Jackie Lee]

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

 

Hey Frank gestured the hand first, then Tepper came in to clean it up

[Jackie Lee]

Another obvious one. It just looks meant to be

 

[Lame Duck]

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

Another obvious one. It just looks meant to be

 

Plot twists.  Frank is his father.

[Basbear]

I do got to give credit- before this past week I had stroud as 80% panther.....now its nosedived to 50% while young is rose to 41.5%

 

bravo media, you got me...

[Jackie Lee]

1 minute ago, Lame Duck said:

Plot twists.  Frank is his father.

He sure does look proud of him like he's his own lol. If he starts burping Bryce after the pro day tmrw we might have a conflict of interest going on

[tukafan21]

There's also another way of looking at this

The Texans already know they want Stroud and think the Panthers are taking him.

So they don't send their main guys to the Pro Day, hoping the Panthers think they're sold on Young and that's who they want.  So we swap picks with them thinking we're still going to get our guy and pick up more assets at the same time.

Then the Texans take Stroud and played us like fools.

That is exactly why I'm so against trading down, we have #1, you don't mess around, you take the guy you want and call it a day.  And if we do swap, just for taking the risk and letting them get the guy they prefer, they have to pay through the nose 

[Aussie Tank]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

This tells me that Houston knows they are getting Bryce Young at #1.

Carolina agrees to trade the #1 pick to the Texans as long as the Texans do what they want. They have agreed to compensation and that the Texans will not pursue Stroud.

Now, the Panthers set their targets on convincing the Colts to trade up for Stroud. So, an army shows up for the Panthers and no one shows up for the Texans. What does this tell the Colts? It tells them that they are not getting Young and if they want Stroud, they need to agree to a deal with the Panthers.

I expect the Colts and Texans to not be showing up at all to Levis and Richardson pro days.

The Panthers meant it when they said they wanted to control the draft, and they are doing it one pro day at a time.

I expect the Panthers to get the #2, #12, #33, and 2024 2nd round pick from the Texans in exchange for Young.

Before Levis' pro day, I expect the Panthers to have an agreement made with the Colts for the #4, #35, TE Jelani Woods, and 2024 1st round pick from the Colts in exchange for position for Stroud. Also, the Colts will agree to not show up to the pro days for Levis and Richardson.

At this point, the Panthers line up the Seahawks, Lions, and Raiders for the position to get their QB. One of them will give up picks to jump to the #4 spot for their pick of QB. I believe it will be the Lions wanting to jump the Seahawks for Richardson. Lions give up their #6, #18, 2024 2nd round pick, and 2024 5th round pick.

The Panthers arrange a deal with Raiders to move up to 6 and take Will Levis contingent on the Seahawks passing on Levis. Raiders give up #7, #38, 2024 1st round and 2024 4th round.

Panthers trade #18 and a 2024 1st round pick for Lamar Jackson.

Panthers turn #9, #61, 2024 1st round, 2025 2nd round, and DJ Moore into...

Panthers have #7, #12, #33, #35, #38, #39, QB Lamar Jackson, TE Jelani Woods, 2024 1st round pick, 2x 2024 2nd round pick, 2024 4th round pick, and 2024 5th round pick.

Panthers draft DT/DE Jalen Carter, WR Quentin Johnston, EDGE Nolan Smith, NT/DT Siaki Ika, NT/DT Mazi Smith, RB Israel Abanikanda, TE Zach Kuntz, RB Chase Brown, WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton, and DB Cory Trice Jr with their 10 draft picks.

QB-Lamar Jackson/Andy Dalton

RB-Miles Sanders/Israel Abanikanda/Chase Brown

TE-Hayden Hurst/Jelani Woods/Zach Kuntz/Tommy Tremble

WR-Quentin Johnston/Adam Thielen/(DJ Chark)/Terrace Marshall Jr/Bryce Ford-Wheaton/Laviska Shenault

OL-Bradley Bozeman/Taylor Moton/Austin Corbett/Ikem Ekwonu/Brady Christensen

DL-Derrick Brown/Siaki Ika/Mazi Smith/Jalen Carter

EDGE-Brian Burns/Nolan Smith

ILB-Jeremy Chinn/Shaq Thompson/Frankie Luvu

CB-Jaycee Horn/CJ Henderson/Cory Trice Jr/Donte Jackson

S-Vonn Bell/Xavier Woods

 

Not exactly what I would want, believe are the best players in the draft, or believe will be the best in the NFL. This is what I believe Reich/Fitterer/Tepper will want to achieve going in to the 2023 season. Let's see it play out. Tepper is going to take the entire NFL for a wild ride in the draft just like he has with this coaching staff. It doesn't stop with trading up for the #1 pick and simply drafting a QB.

[Jackie Lee]

8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

There's also another way of looking at this

The Texans already know they want Stroud and think the Panthers are taking him.

So they don't send their main guys to the Pro Day, hoping the Panthers think they're sold on Young and that's who they want.  So we swap picks with them thinking we're still going to get our guy and pick up more assets at the same time.

Then the Texans take Stroud and played us like fools.

That is exactly why I'm so against trading down, we have #1, you don't mess around, you take the guy you want and call it a day.  And if we do swap, just for taking the risk and letting them get the guy they prefer, they have to pay through the nose 

Everyone please stop entertaining these trade back debates, it's been stuck in the mud for two weeks now. Actual things to watch now that the pro days have started. 

[CPantherKing]

4 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Don’t you have to have your original first round picks to do the Lamar trade on the tag? 

No. It's in the CBA if you want to read the legalese details on how it works. It's 'no first refusal' is separated throughout the document.