Thomas Davis - Not so fast my friend!

[LinvilleGorge]

 

[LinvilleGorge]

21 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

We've definitely reached peak draft prospect hyperbole season. 

The combine measures raw physical talent. I guess you missed it.

[TLGPanthersFan]

8 minutes ago, Verge said:

I am not going to be mad at any of the quarterbacks going one outside of Levis and Hooker. 

Do you think the FO thinks AR can start day 1? 
Because all I see is a 1 or 2 year red shirt player. 
As I’ve said. I can’t remember a project player being drafted at 1 overall. 
Being draft 1st usually means you are gonna start day 1. Baring some catastrophe in training camp. 

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, Verge said:

Because Bryce Young is the better quarterback and a more sure fire thing. Don't get me wrong, I love AR, but I would never take him over Young. 

I'd say that sums things up pretty well 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The combine measures raw physical talent. I guess you missed it.

The other thing I think it shows to is the level of dedication to being prepared. Some guys show up and rely on physical ability alone. Others show up after weeks of training tweaking little things to give them a tenth of a second better result in the 40, or a smoother shuttle, etc. Those aren't things you can't really measure but show in how a prospect performs. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

If we are gonna draft AR we definitely need to trade down to 4th or lower. 
AR probably won’t see the field till 2024 at the earliest. 
Don’t really wan’t to take a project player at 1st but it Would make me feel better if we got away from 1st overall and get some picks back if we plan to draft him. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd say that sums things up pretty well 

My emotions till draft day: 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

If we are gonna draft AR we definitely need to trade down to 4th or lower. 
AR probably won’t see the field till 2024 at the earliest. 
Don’t really wan’t to take a project player at 1st but it Would make me feel better if we got away from 1st overall and get some picks back if we plan to draft him. 

I have no idea if I'd draft AR or not. It all comes down to his interviews, background checks, and just your overall feel for who he is and what he can develop into. There's no question about the talent. But most busts have plenty of talent.

I'd be super excited if we drafted him because that means our very experienced coaches think he has what it takes and that they can get him there.

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, Verge said:

Because Bryce Young is the better quarterback and a more sure fire thing. Don't get me wrong, I love AR, but I would never take him over Young. 

Bryce Young is no more of a sure fire thing than the others. The only thing he has on the others is more game tape and a team better suited to take advantage of his ability.  That is not a sure fire thing to translate to the nfl. And being the smallest qb to ever be drafted does not ensure a long and successful career. All of them have concerns.

Of the 4 top qb's to attend the combine only 1 qb took part every drill and every measurement. That guy wasn't afraid that he may look bad or inferior in some manner compared to his competition.  Guess who that was? That guy shows courage and determination.  Their actions or should I say inactions said more to me about these guys than how they threw the ball in shorts.

[rayzor]

13 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

If they are seriously considering AR at 1 makes me wonder if they think he can start this season. 
I can not remember a team taking a project QB at 1 ever. 
AR may not be ready to start for a season or 2.
Lance was taken at 3 but I think if Jimmy G wasn’t there he would have started his rookie year. 
Also do Panthers fans want to watch Dalton for maybe 1 or 2 seasons and waste even more of our core defensive and O-line players prime, potentially

AR is a project. I mean they are all projects, but AR is going to take a whole lot of work compared Stroud and Young. 

I was fine with AR being the pick at 9. I'd be ok with it at even 5. But you don't trade up from 9 to 1 for a project of that magnitude. You better be damn sure you can get him rolling in year one or at the latest year 2. 

If they pick him and he isn't ready to go after a year or two then everyone involved in that pick should be fired.

That's one big fuging gamble and I'm inclined to think it's a fools bet at 1, especially since that 1 is so damn expensive, costing us 2 first rounders, 2 later rounders, and a first round talent WR.

And your right, it would be an absolute waste of resources making the whole team, especially including recent acquisitions making them wait for a year.

Its just much more likely to blow up in our faces if we did that.

[SCMunnerlyn1]

In B4 Will Anderson i guess.

[OldhamA]

11 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

I'll never get the "his ceiling is the highest" BS on AR. His passing accuracy is average right now, his footwork is average right now, his experience is below average right now. He can run it like crazy, yes. He has a huge arm, yes. He is in freak shape, yes. But none of that makes a great QB. Right now his ceiling is hoping he can even be as good as Young and Stroud are today. And if he will get better, they will too. His ceiling has zero to do with his QB skills. Just his athleticism. It's like signing a young LeBron James away from the NBA and trying to get him to be a star QB. It's insane. Young has a MUCH higher ceiling if you can just put some weight on him which is asking much less than with AR. Helping Stroud outside of the pocket is harder, but still much easier than teaching AR how to be an accurate QB. QBs throw it first and foremost, and Young and Stroud will always ... always be better than AR at that.

The only reason I'd be interested in Richardson is that he already has (some of) the intangibles you look for in a QB, namely that he processes well, he's calm and moves well in the pocket. 

Now is he as good at processing as Stroud and Young right now? No. Can he be in 5 years? Possibly not - however, his athleticism means that teams will always have to play simpler coverages against him (basically zone or an extremely athletic Spy i.e. TD v Vick). Young and Stroud will never have that running threat. 

If you're confident that you can clean up his mechanics and he impresses you in interviews (i.e. does he have that drive to continue to improve [which you definitely saw in College from Utah to Florida St]) then I can see him being the pick. 

The other thing for me is why do you have Reich, McCown and Dalton in the building? Yes they're going to improve Stroud and Young, but both are already extremely polished - their greatest effect would be on a rawer prospect with better physical tools. 

[Tbe]

TD is just throwing poo so he can get more TV time.

He doesn’t know anything.

[ForJimmy]

We are drafting so many players at 1.