Fanbase Temperature Gauge: Who do you like and who do you want? (3/21/23)

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Bryce does well when things break down, CJ doesn't let things break down.

To be fair, that's an awfully tough thing to do at the NFL level.

[Swaggasaurus]

10 minutes ago, rayzor said:

This is a lot of what I've been seeing. CJ it seems always has his poo together and always in control of the situation. The game is slow for him it seems. Bryce reacts and moves quickly because he has to, or at least because he feels he has to and it might be that if he saw the field better he wouldn't have to scramble so much...I don't know.

Bryce takes advantage of the world collapsing around him and can do remarkable things when it does, but CJ won't let it collapse around him or at least won't let it dictate what he's doing. It will influence him, for sure, but he won't let it control him and force him to give up on the play.

Bryce does well when things break down, CJ doesn't let things break down.

Eshhhh quite the eval. QB’s can prevent protection busts? Does CJ walk on water too? CJ, when throwing to his first read, or second read on the same side of the field…that’s my QB. They are severely out talenting 80% of their opponents at OhioSt and that’s why his tape has so many 1st read throws that look great and why you think he doesn’t have the world collapsing around him (it’s the NFL, poo is going to collapse) CJ has a flaw in his game, he struggles when he has to move off his first read to the other side of the field, he processes a tick too slow there and that leads to his worst plays. He should be a more decisive runner in those situations, it would help him tremendously. We will see how NFL coaching and an NFL offense changes that. The other guys flaw is about 5 inches…you can’t coach that up

[tukafan21]

I think Young is a better QB prospect in a vacuum due to his next level mental side of things.

But I think his size is such a significant factor that Stroud is the better pick to make, particularly after everything we gave up to get him.  If we were the worst team in the league last year and #1 was already our pick, I'd be more acceptable of the Young risk, but I'd still take Stroud in that scenario too.  I don't think there is a big gap between them as pure QB prospects as they each have various things they do better than the other and are both really good prospects.

I'm also not really bothered by Young's height much at all, I don't love it, but if he had a little more stockier build like the other successful short QB's have had, I'd be much more interested in him.  I just can't see someone of his build lasting for very long in this league.  I know the game is constantly evolving to protect the QB, but defensive players are only getting bigger, stronger, faster, and it might not take many legal hits on his frame to break him down.

Having said all that, if we take Young, I won't be as happy as I would with Stroud, but I'm not going to be super upset about it, just hope he gets thicker and can avoid injury.

But if we take Richardson after everything we gave up to move up to #1, I'll lose it

Edited March 23, 2023 by tukafan21

[Ivory Panther]

6 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I think Young is a better QB prospect in a vacuum due to his next level mental side of things.

But I think his size is such a significant factor that Stroud is the better pick to make, particularly after everything we gave up to get him.  If we were the worst team in the league last year and #1 was already our pick, I'd be more acceptable of the Young risk, but I'd still take Stroud in that scenario too.  I don't think there is a big gap between them as pure QB prospects as they each have various things they do better than the other and are both really good prospects.

I'm also not really bothered by Young's height much at all, I don't love it, but if he had a little more stockier build like the other successful short QB's have had, I'd be much more interested in him.  I just can't see someone of his build lasting for very long in this league.  I know the game is constantly evolving to protect the QB, but defensive players are only getting bigger, stronger, faster, and it might not take many legal hits on his frame to break him down.

Having said all that, if we take Young, I won't be as happy as I would with Stroud, but I'm not going to be super upset about it, just hope he gets thicker and can avoid injury.

But if we take Richardson after everything we gave up to move up to #1, I'll lose it

Only this fanbase can say with a straight face, “yea, take the lesser talent. Because that other might get hurt”.

nevermind that any QB of any size can get hurt inside the pocket or outside.

 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Ivory Panther said:

Only this fanbase can say with a straight face, “yea, take the lesser talent. Because that other might get hurt”.

nevermind that any QB of any size can get hurt inside the pocket or outside.

 

Not at all, I think every fan base could say the same thing, it's all part of the equation.  That's why there isn't a consensus on who should be the #1 pick, because Stroud is not really a lesser talent, just different and I'd rank Young only marginally ahead as a pure QB prospect.  

I also think the areas that Young is a better prospect, in terms of seeing the game, can be taught to Stroud, particularly since it's not like he's terrible at it, he's just not quite as good as Young there.  But you can't do anything about Young's size at all, sure you can get him in the gym and on a diet plan that will hopefully put a little bulk onto him, but he has a small frame, he can only get so big to help insulate him to injuries.

If there was a sizable gap between them as prospects, like if it was Young vs Levis, then no, the size factor doesn't play into it the same way and you take Young, easy call.

But I think they're very close as prospects, and when they're that close, you factor in Young's size given how small he really is.

[RJK]

Now that I’m off work and can dive in to the stroud pro day, the most impressive thing Stroud did today was run the workout himself. Mature beyond his years and great leadership.

[Ivory Panther]

29 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Not at all, I think every fan base could say the same thing, it's all part of the equation.  That's why there isn't a consensus on who should be the #1 pick, because Stroud is not really a lesser talent, just different and I'd rank Young only marginally ahead as a pure QB prospect.  

I also think the areas that Young is a better prospect, in terms of seeing the game, can be taught to Stroud, particularly since it's not like he's terrible at it, he's just not quite as good as Young there.  But you can't do anything about Young's size at all, sure you can get him in the gym and on a diet plan that will hopefully put a little bulk onto him, but he has a small frame, he can only get so big to help insulate him to injuries.

If there was a sizable gap between them as prospects, like if it was Young vs Levis, then no, the size factor doesn't play into it the same way and you take Young, easy call.

But I think they're very close as prospects, and when they're that close, you factor in Young's size given how small he really is.

The way u phrased it at 1st, I thought u meant it was a clear gap in ur opinion…but put it like u did, size tips it strouds way, if u worry abt it.

for me the gap is sizable. Not the throwing or accuracy or even processing, all of which are close. 
For me it’s the “clutch” gene.
But Because that’s an unintangible trait, it’s hard for most to count it.

But, I’ve seen bryce in high pressures situation over & over & dude rises to the occasion 90% of the time. He is a baller!
I don’t think Bryce loses twice to Michigan in the biggest game of the year in back to back years while having arguably comparable talent (some may argue better talent). 

I think CJ is very good & will be good for us if we draft him, but watching him for 2 yrs, he didn’t have that, “U left too much time on the clock for CJ”.
That’s obviously an opinion but that’s how I feel. 

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair, that's an awfully tough thing to do at the NFL level.

Brady made a career of it

[rayzor]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair, that's an awfully tough thing to do at the NFL level.

It's a tough thing for most at the college level. Once the game slows down for CJ at the pro level (because you know it's going to have to), watch out  

You watch college play to see tendencies...good and bad. A lot will transfer to the next level eventually. I think the demeanor and control he has will show up at some point in the pros, probably sooner rather than later.

[Wolfcop]

8 hours ago, Ivory Panther said:

The way u phrased it at 1st, I thought u meant it was a clear gap in ur opinion…but put it like u did, size tips it strouds way, if u worry abt it.

for me the gap is sizable. Not the throwing or accuracy or even processing, all of which are close. 
For me it’s the “clutch” gene.
But Because that’s an unintangible trait, it’s hard for most to count it.

But, I’ve seen bryce in high pressures situation over & over & dude rises to the occasion 90% of the time. He is a baller!
I don’t think Bryce loses twice to Michigan in the biggest game of the year in back to back years while having arguably comparable talent (some may argue better talent). 

I think CJ is very good & will be good for us if we draft him, but watching him for 2 yrs, he didn’t have that, “U left too much time on the clock for CJ”.
That’s obviously an opinion but that’s how I feel. 

CJ was very clutch in the UGa game. He had the game won if the kicker does his job. Also, if OSU had Alabama”s defense, they would have easily won it all, including the Michigan game. Did you see all the big plays OSU’s defense gave up in that game? It was ridiculous. 

I do appreciate your post, though. It was well thought out and humble. If we do draft Young, I will support him 100%. 

 

[SmittyCity]

Sure Pro Day it a meaningless exercise, but is it fair to say that Stroud’s deep ball was a bit underwhelming (and often under-thrown) yesterday? 

[frankw]

8 hours ago, Ivory Panther said:

The way u phrased it at 1st, I thought u meant it was a clear gap in ur opinion…but put it like u did, size tips it strouds way, if u worry abt it.

for me the gap is sizable. Not the throwing or accuracy or even processing, all of which are close. 
For me it’s the “clutch” gene.
But Because that’s an unintangible trait, it’s hard for most to count it.

But, I’ve seen bryce in high pressures situation over & over & dude rises to the occasion 90% of the time. He is a baller!
I don’t think Bryce loses twice to Michigan in the biggest game of the year in back to back years while having arguably comparable talent (some may argue better talent). 

I think CJ is very good & will be good for us if we draft him, but watching him for 2 yrs, he didn’t have that, “U left too much time on the clock for CJ”.
That’s obviously an opinion but that’s how I feel. 

Even if a QB shows a "clutch gene" in college it doesn't mean it will translate to the NFL. And some of the current most clutch QB's in the league weren't necessarily that in college. It's foolish to anoint either Stroud or Young before they have put on an NFL uniform. Both have significant talent and ability. But there's no guarantee all or any of it will translate. Who even knows which QB will be the best from this years class it may not even end up being one of them. When you go all in on one prospect and elevate your level of expectations to near walk on water levels you are going to get hit in the forehead by reality. I think we should temper those expectations in the coming months regardless. Let these kids grow and learn. We can't put the weight of the world on their shoulders from the jump. It's going to be a process. Just enjoy the journey.

Edited March 23, 2023 by frankw

[Ivory Panther]

1 hour ago, Wolfcop said:

CJ was very clutch in the UGa game. He had the game won if the kicker does his job. Also, if OSU had Alabama”s defense, they would have easily won it all, including the Michigan game. Did you see all the big plays OSU’s defense gave up in that game? It was ridiculous. 

I do appreciate your post, though. It was well thought out and humble. If we do draft Young, I will support him 100%. 

 

Bama’s defense was actually pretty bad this year. They r the reason they lost 2 games. vs TEN they gave up almost 50 pts. vs LSU it was abt the same. Vs Tex, Ewers was eating them up until he got hurt & many other games.

Since the UGA game was the only time I’ve seen CJ being clutch in a big moment I’d say he had a clutch moment. 2 Mich loses in back to back yrs bothers me. It’s not all on him, but that’s a red flag to me when we r talking elite winner.

again, he is very good with many great traits. I absolutely love his accuracy & throws. It’s like art! Just beautiful to see him throw.
But I don’t know if he elevates the team around him. 

I’ve seen bryce will Bama to victory time after time again. 

[Ivory Panther]

46 minutes ago, frankw said:

Even if a QB shows a "clutch gene" in college it doesn't mean it will translate to the NFL. And some of the current most clutch QB's in the league weren't necessarily that in college. It's foolish to anoint either Stroud or Young before they have put on an NFL uniform. Both have significant talent and ability. But there's no guarantee all or any of it will translate. Who even knows which QB will be the best from this years class it may not even end up being one of them. When you go all in on one prospect and elevate your level of expectations to near walk on water levels you are going to get hit in the forehead by reality. I think we should temper those expectations in the coming months regardless. Let these kids grow and learn. We can't put the weight of the world on their shoulders from the jump. It's going to be a process. Just enjoy the journey.

Not even sure what u r talking abt. Didn’t say Bryce was gonna make the HOF, or win many superbowls etc…

didn’t anoint him of anything.
Like 1000s do, I have made observations abt traits I’ve seen from him in 2yrs in college. Is that not something we are all doing with draft prospects?

don’t get triggered every time someone brings up a positive aspect of Bryce’s game…

As I keep saying, both QBs r good. if we draft CJ, I’ll support him & hope he has the intangibles I think make top 5 QBs great.
but right now I prefer Bryce because I’ve seen the intangibles.