Natalie Miller (aka Verge): per her sources, Panthers moved up to #1 to take Bryce Young

[travisura]

3 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Between this and Rippadon being on the Stroud Wagon, you guys can kiss Stroud being the pick goodbye.

You know what they say about broken clocks. Or two broken clocks, in this case.

[jayboogieman]

12 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

So you just checking....does everybody honestly think the upcoming pro days wont change anything?? 

I don't think the pro days will change a thing and believe they were sold on one of the QBs before the combine and making the trade. The only reason to make the trade is if they were sold on a certain QB, decided he wouldn't be there after the first 2 picks, and knew the Texans wouldn't pass on a QB and would take whichever was available at 2 instead of trading their pick.

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Between this and Rippadon being on the Stroud Wagon, you guys can kiss Stroud being the pick goodbye.

Rip is definitely making me second guess myself....

[jayboogieman]

2 minutes ago, travisura said:

You know what they say about broken clocks. Or two broken clocks, in this case.

One maybe. Both?

[top dawg]

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I remember telling you this and then you repeated it, taking credit.  It was an ugly scenario. 

No, I remember you saying it.  It caused me to take a deeper look into Young, and I watched one analysis that sold me on the pick--he was at the LOS, calling line blocking schemes and changing the play---very sophisticated--demonstrates elite processing.

You have to be careful about the workouts because the best QBs are rarely the best athletes.  the reason?  They must be the best processors first.  I think Stroud is going to be great and I would not mind taking him, but if this group of coaches thinks Young is the real deal, then who am I to argue with them?

A few hints that have been stated along the way:

The comparison between a QB and a point guard. 

Comments that his size does not bother them.

Basic descriptions about what they are looking for in a QB--and they praised Bozeman and Thielen recently about their positivity and character--it matters a lot to them.  Not that any of the top QBs have character concerns, but Bryce is beloved by his teammates--even the Georgia Bulldogs talked about what a great guy he is---leadership matters.

For me it just comes down to whether or not, Reich, Fitt, and the Teppers (yes, wifey will have considerable input) believe that Young's size outweighs all the other tangibles and intangibles that he possesses. He has been excellent in the undisputed best conference, and he has really demonstrated durability throughout his collegiate career playing in that conference, so I'm thinking that from an intellectual perspective that he is the pick. 

If he isn't, or if he isn't enough to turn down a few extra draft picks, I'm good with that also because there's a lot to like about Stroud's smoothness in the pocket. But at this point, I think we're taking Young unless the Texans blow us away.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

29 minutes ago, travisura said:

Lol. Trust who you want based on their reporting record, not off of how they word their tweet or if they use the word "sources". 

 

Yes you fugging genius if the source gets fired they can't continue to get some SUPER SECRET SCOOP can they? 

You can count on one hand how many reporters out there you can trust ... and even they are in the clickbait and clout game. But you go on thinking they're out there sneaking news to us common folk like a spy, and if we're on the social media we can know before other people do. You're so smart!

[top dawg]

8 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

I don't think the pro days will change a thing and believe they were sold on one of the QBs before the combine and making the trade. The only reason to make the trade is if they were sold on a certain QB, decided he wouldn't be there after the first 2 picks, and knew the Texans wouldn't pass on a QB and would take whichever was available at 2 instead of trading their pick.

Even the way that Fitterer was talking would lead me to believe that Pro days are mostly for interviews about the prospects. Unless something terrible pops up about a guy, I seriously think our choice is "cemented."

"Yeah, we’re still going through the process right now. Obviously, we have our ideas. You’re not gonna make a move like that without having that pretty much cemented. But now, we’re going through the process of talking to the players and really getting to know them.”

---Scott Fitterer

[jayboogieman]

13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

unless the Texans blow us away

Why do people keep believing the Texans are totally besotted with Young? It's lying season after all.

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Unless something terrible pops up about a guy, I seriously think our choice is "cemented."

This I agree with. They made their decision, which is why they moved up to 1 and only finding some would make them truly consider someone else.

[MHS831]

16 minutes ago, top dawg said:

For me it just comes down to whether or not, Reich, Fitt, and the Teppers (yes, wifey will have considerable input) believe that Young's size outweighs all the other tangibles and intangibles that he possesses. He has been excellent in the undisputed best conference, and he has really demonstrated durability throughout his collegiate career playing in that conference, so I'm thinking that from an intellectual perspective that he is the pick. 

If he isn't, or if he isn't enough to turn down a few extra draft picks, I'm good with that also because there's a lot to like about Stroud's smoothness in the pocket. But at this point, I think we're taking Young unless the Texans blow us away.

Yes, on NFL Network today (Good Morning Football) they related the aggressive moves by the Panthers to the Teppers, referring to the brass balls on his desk.  I could live with either one, but--as with Wilson and Brees--if we go with Young, he has to be max protected.

[frankw]

1 minute ago, jayboogieman said:

Why do people keep believing the Texans are totally besotted with Young? It's lying season after all.

Couldn't that apply to us as well? Nothing we are saying in front of the cameras is accidental or coincidence.

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Couldn't that apply to us as well? Nothing we are saying in front of the cameras is accidental or coincidence.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/draft/

 

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

People here keep believing that like it's 100% truth, yet refuse to believe reports that the Panthers could love Young as well and keep claiming it's lying season which means the FO is trying to trick the Texans into trading up. Why can't both teams be lying, neither, or just the Texans? Oh right, that doesn't fit these fans' narrative and desires. Some of the people here need to lighten up and not sweat the things they can't control.

Anyway, Hurndog is still in control of Mint Street, so Jack Campbell will be the #1 pick

Morning shrooms?

[jayboogieman]

Just now, frankw said:

Couldn't that apply to us as well? Nothing we are saying in front of the cameras is accidental or coincidence.

I've been saying that. All of it could be true or it could all be

For the Texans, they might feel that leaking they love Young would get their division rivals(Indy) to jump to 1 and take Young while leaving them whoever they truly wanted. That makes sense if they think Young will bust and wanted to hurt a division rival.

You don't move up to #1 unless you know who you want, so the Panthers really don't have a reason to try and trick teams. Are they really going to buy these "reports" that the Texans love Young when they know it's lying season and think they can fleece them for picks? This is real life, not the movies. That said, I could see Tepper and Co still thinking they are smarter than everyone else and trying to trick other teams. But all that shows is that they still haven't learned a blasted thing.

[jayboogieman]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Morning shrooms?

Nah. Just tired of the Young vs Stroud debate. It's constantly  and getting old, so why not make jokes instead?