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Natalie Miller (aka Verge): per her sources, Panthers moved up to #1 to take Bryce Young


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1 hour ago, t96 said:

If they are dead even in our evaluations and we truly can't decide then maybe. But if it's a 1a/1b you 100% just stay at 1, don't fug around, and take the guy you like a bit better. 

I probably phrased that wrong.  If they view them equally and can't see discernible reasons why one is above the other, and Houston comes calling with pick 33, heck or even 65, you're still getting your guy and netting another top pick.  That huge value back.  Not saying that's the reality but it's possible.    

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1 hour ago, travisura said:

Do you genuinely not understand how sports reporting works? Everyone, even Schefter and Rapoport, have "sources" that they will not name, so that the source can maintain anonymity and the reporters can continue to get information from them. The fact that the source is not named is not an indictment on the accuracy of the information at all.

When the source is from inside the organization, and the reporter is a respected and experienced one, they say: "sources within the organization on conditions of anonymity". This is not so the reporter can continue to get some SUPER SECRET SCOOP each week. This is so that source does not lose their job.

Now comes the Twitter Reporter, where any tom, dick, or harry can try and make a name for themselves. Any of us could start an account and retweet news, get followers, try and break new news, etc. And as you do this, you'll come across other reporters like yourself. You build a network. Some of these reporters have lines to players, former players, team aides (not coaches), etc. NONE of those people know ANYTHING. Yet they "hear something" or "have a feeling" (or my favorite: "I think") and they share it with said reporter in normal conversation. They do not hop on the line and text the reporter something outright, nor does the reporter text "what do you know!?". It's organic. And when a nugget ... because let's be honest that's all it is, comes in a text, said reporter knows they have something that (drumroll please) will get them CLICKS, FOLLOWERS, LIKES, CLOUT, and RETWEETS. But out of respect to "journalism" lol, they add that their nuggest came from a "source". It's a buzzword. It's clickbait.

And It's all BS. If any reporter, respected or not, had THE scoop or THE truth ... it would be something along the lines of: I have confirmation from inside the organization (blah blah blah) and they'd put their rep on the line for what they're telling us is factual.

Not one of these Twitter Reporters know anything ... not even our very own Verge. All they know are someone else's opinion, and rumor. Hell, we used to think Zod knew secrets about the team but wasn't allowed to tell us, lol. I myself even knew things. And you know what? I told you all where I heard it. One of the team's internists (now retired) was very close friends with my mom and stepdad, Dr. Rob (Heyer). And even he only knew what players would tell him during treatment.

That is how it works. Rant over.

 

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I don't buy the injury risk argument

Cam Newton only lasted 7 seasons until he had career ending injuries, and he is 6' 5' 240

Daunte Culpepper struggled with injuries too

Drew Brees at barely 6 foot didn't. Neither did Russell Wilson. 

Any body type can struggle with injuries, some people just don't get injured while others are always injury prone (Matt Corral)

Take the NBA, Giannis is almost 7 feet, never gets injured. LeBron too, didn't get any major injuries for his first 16 NBA seasons. Iverson was under 6 feet and never got injured. Then you have a bunch of players between 6 and 7 foot that are always injured, like Oden, Zion, Jonathan Isaac, MKG, etc.

Durability is 40% what you were born with, 40% taking elite care of your body, and 20% being smart. LeBron, Russell Wilson, Kobe took painstaking care of their bodies from an early age, hiring their own training staff, doing their own training regiment and diet, getting plenty of sleep, etc. Some players just don't care about that.

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36 minutes ago, stan786 said:

What would you do if we take Stroud and he struggles ALOT due to his ability to handle pressure.

Strouds issue can be coached,  bryce cannot. And if you really believe in this staff as everybody does then its confidence they can coach stroud up. 

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5 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

When the source is from inside the organization, and the reporter is a respected and experienced one, they say: "sources within the organization on conditions of anonymity". This is not so the reporter can continue to get some SUPER SECRET SCOOP each week. This is so that source does not lose their job.

Now comes the Twitter Reporter, where any tom, dick, or harry can try and make a name for themselves. Any of us could start an account and retweet news, get followers, try and break new news, etc. And as you do this, you'll come across other reporters like yourself. You build a network. Some of these reporters have lines to players, former players, team aides (not coaches), etc. NONE of those people know ANYTHING. Yet they "hear something" or "have a feeling" (or my favorite: "I think") and they share it with said reporter in normal conversation. They do not hop on the line and text the reporter something outright, nor does the reporter text "what do you know!?". It's organic. And when a nugget ... because let's be honest that's all it is, comes in a text, said reporter knows they have something that (drumroll please) will get them CLICKS, FOLLOWERS, LIKES, CLOUT, and RETWEETS. But out of respect to "journalism" lol, they add that their nuggest came from a "source". It's a buzzword. It's clickbait.

And It's all BS. If any reporter, respected or not, had THE scoop or THE truth ... it would be something along the lines of: I have confirmation from inside the organization (blah blah blah) and they'd put their rep on the line for what they're telling us is factual.

Not one of these Twitter Reporters know anything ... not even our very own Verge. All they know are someone else's opinion, and rumor. Hell, we used to think Zod knew secrets about the team but wasn't allowed to tell us, lol. I myself even knew things. And you know what? I told you all where I heard it. One of the team's internists (now retired) was very close friends with my mom and stepdad, Dr. Rob (Heyer). And even he only knew what players would tell him during treatment.

That is how it works. Rant over.

 

Lol. Trust who you want based on their reporting record, not off of how they word their tweet or if they use the word "sources". 

 

15 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

This is not so the reporter can continue to get some SUPER SECRET SCOOP each week. This is so that source does not lose their job.

Yes you fugging genius if the source gets fired they can't continue to get some SUPER SECRET SCOOP can they? 

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2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Strouds issue can be coached,  bryce cannot. And if you really believe in this staff as everybody does then its confidence they can coach stroud up. 

I guess sure, but handling pressure is often a pretty innate ability, all goes back to processing and how you handle stress. Plenty of QBs have never been able to improve that facet.

I’ve argued plenty that I think Stroud showed it in small bits during the end of the year before Georgia so I think it’s in there.

But I can’t act like it’s not a legit concern and something that’s easily fixable. It can definitely be hidden with good game planning though, Rams did it with Goff until they had to commit a ton of money to him.

Just saying if this QB fails it’s probably going to go against the entire FO anyways, it’s not like any of these prospects are perfect. So statements like that are just kinda shrug, we are gonna be pissed if we miss this pick regardless.

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1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

So you just checking....does everybody honestly think the upcoming pro days wont change anything?? 

They asked Fitterer if he could remember a pro day changing his opinion about something. He said most of the time it just reinforces what they already know as far as the workouts.

The real opportunity, he added, is the chance to get to know the player as a person and get to hear what the people around them say.

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Ok so we make the trade after the combine where Stroud throws in front of everyone and Bryce doesn't, they also meet all the QBs. Signs point to Stroud there, but then a whole lot of subsequent reporting immediately says it's actually going to be Bryce Young. Yeah, I think that's a bit of a smokescreen. But I'm down with either one of these guys, just like Stroud more because of his prototypical size.  

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2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

So you just checking....does everybody honestly think the upcoming pro days wont change anything?? 

I think there is definitely room for movement at the top. Pro Days and Visits are probably more about personality fits than necessarily arm talent but for a staff that is just starting to get to work together there is definitely potential that changes some minds.

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Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

So you just checking....does everybody honestly think the upcoming pro days wont change anything?? 

Not based off of comments from Reich/Fitts. If anything I think the interviews could have more weight than watching them throw without a defense.

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