Texan's offered Bears 2024 First Round pick to move up to #1.

[thunderraiden]

 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/20/fmia-nfl-free-agency-bears-panthers/

 

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After a conversation with Bears GM Ryan Poles the other night, it sounds like the trade was almost THE TRADE. Poles told me he had significant discussion with Houston at number two that could have made him trade down twice in the top 10—with both the Texans and Panthers. He wouldn’t be specific on what broke down, but he did say: “I thought there was an opportunity to do something historically pretty cool with a trade from one to two and two to nine. That had potential to add more draft capital this year, and then the possibility that you’re sitting on three ones in the following year. That had my attention. But my gut told me to trigger on it now. At the combine, I thought those quarterbacks did an outstanding job in their interview process. A lot of teams felt really good about some of those guys, but as you get further away from the combine, maybe there’s a bad pro day or something that turns teams off.”

For clarity it would have been the #2 this year and their #1 next year.

Edited March 20, 2023 by thunderraiden

[panther4life]

Wow, that indicates the Texans had flirted with parting with a 1 next year to move up 1 spot. However it doesn’t say if Chicago would have given up a 2 this year or something else of value in return, which seems likely.

Also made it sound like the Texans didn’t give a strong degree of confidence they’d actually pull the trigger, meanwhile Scott Fitterer seemed pretty aggressive in getting it done ASAP, as to not play around and let someone else swoop in.

Ive also read somewhere that the Raiders inquired about moving up and they were told the price was identical to our trade, except it would take the 2025 First Rounder as opposed to a player (D.J Moore in our case).

Couldn’t be happier that we made the move when we did!  
 

Had this gone down and we traded up to 2, this means we were comfortable taking Stroud or Young. Seems there was a never a doubt that we wanted to go up and get a rookie this year.

 

 

[thunderraiden]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

interesting...he said don't read anything into this discussion that he only works with big QBs.

More importantly he revealed he had Russell Wilson ranked high in his QB evals before the draft that year.

[rayzor]

1 minute ago, thunderraiden said:

More importantly he revealed he had Russell Wilson ranked high in his QB evals before the draft that year.

true.

lol i goofed and posted that in the wrong thread, but it works here too.

[WUnderhill]

I think Bears GM just kind of talks out his ass tbh. If there was greater value on the table he would have taken it. 

[Bluetooth]

Houston only wanted to trade to number 1 to stop somebody like us from jumping them, I highly doubt they looking to trade now.

This only really speaks how desperate we was that the bears knew they could trade again back to 9.

[FugginPoo]

Bears are dumb, I would’ve taken that and and still do a panthers trade and got more overall.  Good chance either Texans or panthers could be top 10 next year if not both with another good QB class coming if fields doesn’t improve 

Edited March 20, 2023 by FugginPoo

[amcoolio]

I’d settle for a 2024 and 2025 2nd. I think you can’t go wrong with either QB. 

[LinvilleGorge]

If this is true the Bears are DUMB. I take that deal all day and then flip #2 to the Panthers for another haul.

[trucpfan]

31 minutes ago, FugginPoo said:

Bears are dumb, I would’ve taken that and and still do a panthers trade and got more overall.  Good chance either Texans or panthers could be top 10 next year if not both with another good QB class coming if fields doesn’t improve 

I hate to say it but I don’t think the Panthers are thinking give us a five year window not rushing Frank but based off the moves, the staff, and our division honestly who’s that much better then us. And I’m speaking from Frank’s pov Atl and Ridder Baker or sorry ass D Carr who got sent home from a team with elite talent around him. We’re all about even the division goes to the best coached team.

[Aussie Tank]

Well if they offer us that you take it 

[panther4life]

2 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

I think Bears GM just kind of talks out his ass tbh. If there was greater value on the table he would have taken it. 

I don't know, I think he and Fitterer have both been fairly straightforward,as much as you can be.

At the beginning of the combine, he Poles stated he preferred to have a deal done before the start of free agency, because if he acquired any players as part of a trade, they would have a clearer path on how to attack free agency, in addition to knowing what other draft capital they had.

Around that same time Fitterer was telling everyone to expect a sexy draft.

It seems there has been consistent reporting that other teams inquired and thought the price was A. either too high to move up or B. Non-commital and wanted more time to vet out their options. 

Meanwhile our brass came in hot and struck while the iron was hot. It truly was a win-win deal for both sides.

[SmokinwithWilly]

46 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If this is true the Bears are DUMB. I take that deal all day and then flip #2 to the Panthers for another haul.

Not necessarily. It all depends on if you believe we are interested in more than one QB and how their pro days may affect those evaluations. They may also not have been able to get DJ Moore who was a key to the trade. If the Panthers favor one QB above the other, they may not be interested in moving up in the draft until draft day after the 1st pick. Too many variables in play this time of year to say a team is dumb for getting a guaranteed haul vs trade and hope. 

Now if the Panthers are truly equally interested in 2, then that trade up for a 24 1st would be a nice little item to get back, especially if it ends up being an early pick and MH jr is available. 

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, Bluetooth said:

Houston only wanted to trade to number 1 to stop somebody like us from jumping them, I highly doubt they looking to trade now.

This only really speaks how desperate we was that the bears knew they could trade again back to 9.

This makes literally zero sense.

If they were willing to give up next years first to a team they knew would be taking a non-QB if they kept the pick, just to keep someone else from jumping them, now that someone did jump them for a QB, they would be willing to give up the same, if not more, to then jump that team.

I'm still not on board with it unless we're 100% sure they aren't taking the player we would take if we stay at #1, and even then, I still want #2, 2024 first, and then either #12 or their 2nd rounder this year as well.  If they want to pick their QB before we do, even if we know it's not who we're gonna take, they have to pay through the nose to get that right, period.