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What would you ask from Houston?

Mr. Scot

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21 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It just wouldn't make sense to give up your first chance and choice at qb at turning your franchise around just to gain back a few extra picks.  There's no positive way to spin that one.

Of course their is in theory. If you know they want the one you don't. 

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4 minutes ago, csx said:

Of course their is in theory. If you know they want the one you don't. 

But in that theory, the Texans would then also know they don't want the player we'd prefer, and thus, why would they then give up assets when they could stay put and still get their guy.

That's where the idea of a swap with the Texans falls apart

Back-to-back pick swaps only work for players of a different position and when a 3rd team is involved.

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6 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

But in that theory, the Texans would then also know they don't want the player we'd prefer, and thus, why would they then give up assets when they could stay put and still get their guy.

That's where the idea of a swap with the Texans falls apart

Back-to-back pick swaps only work for players of a different position and when a 3rd team is involved.

In theory if we are in the fence between the two and they are fixated it's a logical possibility.

Not really a realistic one I admit.

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6 minutes ago, csx said:

In theory if we are in the fence between the two and they are fixated it's a logical possibility.

Not really a realistic one I admit.

Then fire the entire coaching staff and front office who can't rank one higher than the other.

That's the crux of their jobs, to evaluate who they think is a better player, and that's true for the draft, free agents, and then who to play in games themselves.

If they can't rank one above the other, even by the slightest of margins, with 6 weeks to focus only on those two players, then they don't deserve to be coaches and front office staff in the NFL, period.

In the end, this comes down to it being a QB, any other position and those are all totally valid arguments, but when it comes to QB, you have to take the player you think is the better prospect.  Even if you rank them as 1aaa and 1aab, you have to trust that smallest margin and take your guy when it's about a QB.

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1 hour ago, Stuart Smith said:

If you have done the work to get your guy be very careful. Trading to the number 2 pick to gain a pick could backfire if you don’t control it. 

How?

The team ahead of you, regardless of who they are or even whether they trade to someone else, can only draft a single player.

If you have two players you like equally and you pick second, you're guaranteed one of the two.

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31 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Then fire the entire coaching staff and front office who can't rank one higher than the other.

That's the crux of their jobs, to evaluate who they think is a better player, and that's true for the draft, free agents, and then who to play in games themselves.

If they can't rank one above the other, even by the slightest of margins, with 6 weeks to focus only on those two players, then they don't deserve to be coaches and front office staff in the NFL, period.

In the end, this comes down to it being a QB, any other position and those are all totally valid arguments, but when it comes to QB, you have to take the player you think is the better prospect.  Even if you rank them as 1aaa and 1aab, you have to trust that smallest margin and take your guy when it's about a QB.

Okay, that's just goofy.

Firing a whole staff because they like two or more prospects equally would be absolutely braindead.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Okay, that's just goofy.

Yes it's an extreme take, but do you really want a coaching/front office staff that can't rank two very different players with 6 weeks of dedicated work?

That's really my point, that if they can't, they shouldn't be in this position.

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Just now, tukafan21 said:

Yes it's an extreme take, but do you really want a coaching/front office staff that can't rank two very different players with 6 weeks of dedicated work?

That's really my point, that if they can't, they shouldn't be in this position.

I wouldn't give two sh-ts.

The idea that you can't put equal value on two different players is just silly.

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10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't give two sh-ts.

The idea that you can't put equal value on two different players is just silly.

There is a difference between putting equal values on two different players and not being able to rank one ahead of the other, even by the slightest of margins, particularly when it comes to the most important single position in all of sports, which QB in the NFL is.

I don't care if you're trying to compare greats like, Brady, Manning, Montana, Mahomes, etc or even Ryan Leaf to Jamarcus Russell.

If you can't rank one QB over another in regards to who you'd draft, then you shouldn't be an NFL HC or GM, period.

You're saying you think there is a scenario where a team would literally have to flip a coin to decide what QB to take at #1 overall and that HC/GM of that team is making the right call by doing so?  

Because that's basically what you're saying here, that the grades are so equal that they can't decide which one should be given the higher grade for one reason or another by the slimmest of margins.  If we had the #1 pick and trading wasn't allowed, and we literally had to flip a coin to make the selection, you'd be okay with that HC and GM keeping their jobs moving forward? 

HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOOO, they NFL HC's and GM's, they have to be able to find a way to rank one over the other by even the slimmest of margins.

That's my point, in the end, they can and will be able to rank one above the other for some reason or another, and that's who I want to take without risking the Texans drafting that player if we were to swap picks.

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

There is a difference between putting equal values on two different players and not being able to rank one ahead of the other

Yeah, this makes no sense at all.

It is most definitely possible for a team to place equal value on two players, regardless of position. It happens plenty.

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