We're trolling right? Sources say Panthers open for business in trading down from #1

[tukafan21]

27 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

I thought about this when we made the trade, that if we were happy with any of the top four that we could effectively move up from 9, deal from there and get our QB for *nothing*.

Interesting to see if anything materializes in this regard.

No, just no

Because we could have moved up to #4 without giving up DJ and still ended up with whichever QB fell to that spot.

We're drafting at #1 guys, just accept that

Edited March 11, 2023 by tukafan21

[JawnyBlaze]

2 minutes ago, hawaiipanthers said:

Did this last week...I wonder if they will acquire more picks..

Gross

[LinvilleGorge]

I didn't realize Costner had made a Draft Day 2.

[Basbear]

Look {adjust'd tin foil hat}.....lets say you know for fact texans want young/______/not your guy. It could make this very spicy with zona and colts. You could then trade with either colts or zona, now you what are picking......AND texans. There is some madness at play here...

 

Plus theres time and each passing day the 1st overall gains some value.

 

Takes off hat- 99.7% chance they keep the pick.  

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, JawnyBlaze said:

That’s how it works. When a team trades down, the other team tells them who they’re going to take. The first team doesn’t trade down if the partner is targeting their player.  The second team still drafts that player because if they don’t, they’re branded as liars and other GMs won’t trade with them in the future if they can’t trust who they’re doing business with. That’s just how it all works. 

Yes, that might be how it normally works if you're doing a 1 position swap.

However.... 1 position swaps don't happen when both teams are taking a player at the same position, particularly when that position is QB.

1 position swaps are only done because the team picking second is afraid of someone else making the trade for the draft pick ahead of them.  The Texans wouldn't have that fear in this situation now, we're not trading back to #4 with the Colts now, just won't happen.

So what is the reason the Texans would ever give us assets to move up 1 pick to take the player that would still be there for them at #2, while not giving up assets and getting a slightly cheaper contract for that player.

It's just asinine to think the Texans will swap picks with us, there is literally zero upside for them to do that.

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I didn't realize Costner had made a Draft Day 2.

How does costner feel about wearing a neck prosthetic for 9 months to make a movie??

better text the agent first......

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Yes, that might be how it normally works if you're doing a 1 position swap.

However.... 1 position swaps don't happen when both teams are taking a player at the same position, particularly when that position is QB.

1 position swaps are only done because the team picking second is afraid of someone else making the trade for the draft pick ahead of them.  The Texans wouldn't have that fear in this situation now, we're not trading back to #4 with the Colts now, just won't happen.

So what is the reason the Texans would ever give us assets to move up 1 pick to take the player that would still be there for them at #2, while not giving up assets and getting a slightly cheaper contract for that player.

It's just asinine to think the Texans will swap picks with us, there is literally zero upside for them to do that.

Youre wrong in this thinking buddy, bears traded a bunch of picks(3rds 5ths, etc) to move form 3rd to 2nd. Why?? Cause 49er lead them to believe another team was trading up for Trubisky, whom they wanted badly. 

Its possible.

Hows finessererererererererer poker skills??

[JawnyBlaze]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Yes, that might be how it normally works if you're doing a 1 position swap.

However.... 1 position swaps don't happen when both teams are taking a player at the same position, particularly when that position is QB.

1 position swaps are only done because the team picking second is afraid of someone else making the trade for the draft pick ahead of them.  The Texans wouldn't have that fear in this situation now, we're not trading back to #4 with the Colts now, just won't happen.

So what is the reason the Texans would ever give us assets to move up 1 pick to take the player that would still be there for them at #2, while not giving up assets and getting a slightly cheaper contract for that player.

It's just asinine to think the Texans will swap picks with us, there is literally zero upside for them to do that.

I don’t think it would happen, but it’s possible. We don’t have to tell the Texans who we’d take at 1. They’ve already planted the seed of doubt saying there’s two we’re interested in and might be willing to move back down. The way it would work is Texans, not know which we’re taking, have a preference. They ask Carolina what it would take to move up to one. Just for this example let’s say it’s a third. Carolina asks who they’d take at one and if it’s not their guy, they take the deal. To the Texans, it’s worth it cuz they’re just giving up a third to ensure they get their guy because there’s a chance Carolina, while being ok with either of the top two like they said, end up taking the one the Texans preferred. 

[TheCasillas]

27 minutes ago, Basbear said:

This is FItt.

[TheSpecialJuan]

47 minutes ago, thunderraiden said:

 

 

Hopefully they just mean that they will select Bryce Young for Texans for another couple picks and they can take Stroud at #2.

Very smart to get this out there

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Youre wrong in this thinking buddy, bears traded a bunch of picks(3rds 5ths, etc) to move form 3rd to 2nd. Why?? Cause 49er lead them to believe another team was trading up for Trubisky, whom they wanted badly. 

Its possible.

Hows finessererererererererer poker skills??

You have to be trolling me, right?

Yes, the Bears traded a bunch of picks because they knew the 49ers weren't keeping that pick, that they weren't taking a QB and knew they'd be trading the pick, so they HAD to make the trade to get the guy they wanted.  

The Texans aren't stupid, they know we didn't give up everything we just gave up to then trade back down to #4 and just take whichever QB is available to us at that point.  

Also you just have to look at the fact that the Texans didn't make the trade with the Bears, it means they weren't offering much to make the move, because if they did, the Bears would have taken that swap and then traded down again.

Which again brings me back to the super obvious point in all of this.... If we think the Texans want the player we want to draft, we'd never swap picks with them, while at the same time if the Texans don't think we're taking the player they want, they're not going to swap picks with us because there is no fear that we'll trade the pick to someone else who would then take their guy.

It's just common sense, A+B=C

[Hoenheim]

You don't trade up to 1 to trade down again that's fuging idiotic

Even if you trade down with the Bears they could end up taking the best QB or the QB you wanted more. Just stupid if that happened.

 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Hoenheim

[tukafan21]

10 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I don’t think it would happen, but it’s possible. We don’t have to tell the Texans who we’d take at 1. They’ve already planted the seed of doubt saying there’s two we’re interested in and might be willing to move back down. The way it would work is Texans, not know which we’re taking, have a preference. They ask Carolina what it would take to move up to one. Just for this example let’s say it’s a third. Carolina asks who they’d take at one and if it’s not their guy, they take the deal. To the Texans, it’s worth it cuz they’re just giving up a third to ensure they get their guy because there’s a chance Carolina, while being ok with either of the top two like they said, end up taking the one the Texans preferred. 

Again, the logic here from the Texans standpoint is just baffling.

If the Texans tell us who they would take at #1 and then we're still willing to do the trade, then it means they're planning on drafting the player we won't be drafting.  And if we're not taking the guy they want, they have LITERALLY ZERO reason to make a trade with us at that point, none, zilch, nada, NOTHING.

Then from our side, the optics of making this trade to then say, "we don't care which of these two guys we get, we're 100% equal on both of them that we'll swap with the Texans and take whoever they don't want" would be an utterly terrible look.  How do you make this trade and then just take whichever guy falls to you so that you can add a 3rd round pick instead of taking the player you prefer.

If you make this trade as GM and are so torn between the 2 options that you're willing to accept either in exchange for a 3rd round draft pick, then you don't deserve to be a QB.  

Edited March 11, 2023 by tukafan21

[jasonluckydog]

God I hope so.