Lombardi: Panthers trying to trade Corral. Can be had for a "ham sandwich"

[rebelrouser]

If this is true, Tepper does not deserve to ever have a winning football team. We traded this year's round 3 pick to drop down for Corral, and we are going to trade him for nothing? We also gave away CMC to try to make up for picks squandering by the Tepper brain trust. How on earth did this guy get rich? I realize it was something unrelated to football but still.   

[Bear Hands]

If we’re drafting a QB high (which is immensely likely), he’s got little use outside of being developmental backup behind a QB2 veteran like Brissett. 

So, if our staff prefers getting a late rounder for him instead, it could happen. Especially if we’re using capital on a trade up. Might as well get something for him if they don’t want him. Every team passed on him 3 times so makes sense there’s not much value. Who knows where some teams had him ranked last year.

[stan786]

I hope its not the case, but there is a relatively decent shot even if he makes it to training camp he doesn't make the roster. No loyalty with the new staff and they are going to have other priorities.

[CPcavedweller]

If he is to be believed, we have wasted at least 10 draft picks on QB's in the last three years. Let that sink in. Now Tepper is going to be okay with mortgaging our future to move up? The Cardinals did that for....Josh Rosen. Look how that worked out. No trade-ups in the Top 10 have worked for QB's in the last decade. Mitch Trubisky and Josh Rosen say helllllooooo.

Insanity at this point.

I also think Lombardi is full of crap. 

[Wundrbread33]

3 hours ago, Icege said:

Drive 1

• Play 1: Run up the middle
• Play 2: Run up the middle
• Play 3: Pass for 1st down conversion on 3rd & 6
• Play 4: Run up the middle
• Play 5: Pass to Kirkwood on a slant route, gets blown up and drops it
• Play 6: Pass that gets swatted down at the line after the DE beats the RT off of the snap
• Play 7: Punt

Drive 2

• Play 1: Pass attempt where Corral scrambles for no gain after Rivera decides to dial up the blitz in a preseason game against a 4th string QB that's been losing reps to a QB competition he's not a part of (the blitzing LB blew up the RB in pass pro)
• Play 2: Pass attempt that goes incomplete as Corral is forced to throw it away after keeping the play alive with his legs due to his LT being immediately beaten off of the snap with nobody open
• Play 3: Pass attempt that goes incomplete. Corral was being sacked at the time as Rivera had called another blitz and not only did the LB come through this time untouched, but both DEs cleanly beat the OTs. Play was dead before it even began.
• Play 4: Punt

Drive 3

• Play 1: Incomplete screen pass. Horrible throw by Corral here, all on him.
• Play 2: Corral scrambles to avoid getting sacked as the LT is completely destroyed by the DE once again (picture below)
• Play 3: Run for a decent gain and a 1st down on an RPO
• Play 4: Incomplete pass on an out route. Pass was high and could have been placed better, but an NFL TE should come down with that. Not entirely Corral, but he didn't exactly make it any better.
• Play 5: Incomplete pass as the WR stops his route instead of continuing to the open spot that Corral threw it to.
• Play 6: Corral sacked Rivera brings 6 on 3rd & 10. Deonte Brown missed bad on the blitzing LB that forced Corral to scramble into the pursuing arms of the DT. Play is saved by a penalty on Washington.
• Play 7: Run up the middle
• Play 8: Out route to a TE again, much better ball but the TE drops it because he's afraid to take the hit from the defender.
• Play 9: Play is called dead since Corral's helmet was ripped off by the DE that went right around the LT (sound familiar?). Rivera once again called a blitz, but the Panthers get the 1st down on the facemask call that puts them in FG range with under a minute remaining
• Play 10: Run
• Play 11: Run
• Play 12: Run
• Play 13: Game winning FG
•  

This was the scramble for 6yds that Corral had prior to the RPO that went for a chunk during the 3rd drive.

 

I genuinely do not understand how folks can watch that preseason game vs. Washington and walk away thinking anything bad about Matt Corral. Don't get me wrong, it also isn't exactly a clear cut example that he should start this coming season but it does show that he played better than given credit (especially considering the circumstances). That OL he was behind was abysmal, and his receivers didn't do him any favors dropping passes or giving up on routes.

I appreciate the write up, but I’ve pretty much given up defending Corral’s preseason. There are people who won’t change their mind regardless of explanation and context. 
 

He just sucked. He should have elevated the guys around him. He was also playing against 4th stringers. That’s the mindset. College tape doesn’t matter. He’s too small (though Young isn’t I guess). 
 

I mean there are people who are borderline vicious when discussing him. For being a mere 3rd round pick, some are really threatened by his presence in the roster. 
 

We should draft a QB AND keep Corral, because all that matters is fixing the QB spot, so why eliminate a young option who you just drafted? 

[CPcavedweller]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He isnt throwing poo he is simply doing the math on corral. 

Which is what? He was getting 8 reps a day in Fall Camp last year. Then the Huddle acts like his Preseason games were indicative of something. Lombardi is full of crap. 

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Which is what? He was getting 8 reps a day in Fall Camp last year. Then the Huddle acts like his Preseason games were indicative of something. Lombardi is full of crap. 

From page 1.  Its not hard when you read the tea leaves: 

 

 

 

Hes hurt, Reich didnt draft him, Reich normally doesnt carry 3 qbs and we signed Eason (a reich pick) as a project.  We are getting ready to draft a guy in the top 10 and sign a vet. 

 

I dont want to trade corral either but brother if people cannot see his ass is on the chopping block then thats on them.

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, rebelrouser said:

If this is true, Tepper does not deserve to ever have a winning football team. We traded this year's round 3 pick to drop down for Corral, and we are going to trade him for nothing? We also gave away CMC to try to make up for picks squandering by the Tepper brain trust. How on earth did this guy get rich? I realize it was something unrelated to football but still.   

Tepper has nothing to do with it.  Corral was drafted by Rhule and his staff in the 3rd round.  We have a new staff now that wants their guy.  This kind of stuff happens all the time.  O'Connell cut Mond who was a 2nd round pick the year before he was hired.  Tepper is letting the football guys make football decisions.  Do you really think Tepper is calling down to Fitt and wanting a 3rd round IR rookie traded away??? The Cards spent a first on Rosen then hired a new coach who drafted Murray with the top pick the very next year.  I'm not saying this will happen, but if it does it's not that big of a deal.  You are obviously extremely bias as you are an Ole Miss fan.

[ForJimmy]

31 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Which is what? He was getting 8 reps a day in Fall Camp last year. Then the Huddle acts like his Preseason games were indicative of something. Lombardi is full of crap. 

and half of the Huddle acts like we mortgaged our future for a top QB in Corral.  It was a future 3rd and he immediately got hurt.  I'd prefer to keep him on the roster, but if there is no room I won't lose any sleep over trading him away for pennies.  New staff wants their guys at the most important position.  

[coffee]

Didn't listen to it, but NONE of the things OP shared sound correct considering the things we've heard.

Lombardi may have better sources than everyone else but, unless I hear otherwise, I'm just wondering what he's drinking along with his ham sandwich.

[SameDamnThing]

1. he doesn't know what Corral would get because Corral has not been on the block.

2. if they traded him right now, it would be highly premature because they haven't even seen him throw. that's a major reason it won't happen. 

3. people talk out of their ass all the time, that doesn't make it a rumor. it just means they want to validate their point by saying unprovable things.

4. If Corral was dealt, we would get at least a 4th for him, because I doubt we were the only ones who had him on their board and at worst he would have gone in the next 30 picks. He has given the league no reason to believe his stock has gone down. In fact, one could presume he's a year more mature after a year of understudy. 

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, SameDamnThing said:

1. he doesn't know what Corral would get because Corral has not been on the block.

2. if they traded him right now, it would be highly premature because they haven't even seen him throw. that's a major reason it won't happen. 

3. people talk out of their ass all the time, that doesn't make it a rumor. it just means they want to validate their point by saying unprovable things.

4. If Corral was dealt, we would get at least a 4th for him, because I doubt we were the only ones who had him on their board and at worst he would have gone in the next 30 picks. He has given the league no reason to believe his stock has gone down. In fact, one could presume he's a year more mature after a year of understudy. 

We wouldnt get a 4rth.  He is devalued now as a 3rd rounder because of one year into his contract and of course the major injury.  He is probably a 6th at this point.   I wish we would keep him but the writing is on the wall

[SameDamnThing]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

We wouldnt get a 4rth.  He is devalued now as a 3rd rounder because of one year into his contract and of course the major injury.  He is probably a 6th at this point.   I wish we would keep him but the writing is on the wall

the major injury was probably somewhat exaggerated in my opinion. even if it weren't then it's not that big of an issue. it's not like it was his throwing shoulder. the one year into his contract doesn't matter a lot. if teams liked him in the draft last year they'll give up a comparable pick maybe a round back. you just don't usually see guys traded in this situation without having been seen except for a quarter of football. 

[glenwo2]

On 3/9/2023 at 5:32 PM, SuperBowlBound said:

 

Right after that he mentioned the Panthers getting rid of players Rhule brought in with the exception of Horn. Also mentioned they aren't interested in resigning Sam Darnold.

Interesting couple of minutes. The time it starts may vary based on how you listen to your podcast.

Link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jets-fly-out-to-aaron-rodgers-daniel-jones-signs-%24160m/id1458884463?i=1000603483736

I assume the Panthers brass told Lombardi this explicitly so he can tell us, right?   RIGHT? 

Edited March 10, 2023 by glenwo2