Brinson basically calls "collusion," but essentially says it's nearly impossible to prove

[CPcavedweller]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I think that that's a somewhat simplistic perspective, especially in light of the fact that the qb-needy teams in question all came out at relatively the same time with essentially the same tweet: "Not interested!"  And they didn't even officially kick the tires on him to see what his actual needs are?  Are you kidding me? We don't even really know what Lamar is demanding because no one has offered him anything but the Ravens pre-tag. But it's all a coincidence...

According to Adam Schefter, they can't contact Lamar right now because it would be considered tampering. 

All of this is a non-issue. Teams saying "we aren't interested" is to protect them from any claims of tampering by the Ravens, ala the Dolphins in 2022.

In other words, teams coming out and saying "we are not pursuing Lamar Jackson" (right now) is cover for not losing draft picks and being fined by the NFL. Had the NFL not taken draft picks from the Dolphins, this wouldn't have happened.

So guess what? It's much ado about nothing. It's a cover until the tampering window is done. Why it's considered tampering, I don't know. I'm just repeating what Schefter said and ultimately answering the question of "is it collusion?" No, it isn't.

But, my point stands. Not only do you have to offer Lamar a fully guaranteed contract, you then have to trade your 2023 and 2024 1st round draft pick away. This for a guy who is a bottom 12 passer by DVOA and has missed several games in each of the past three seasons.

So, no, it's not collusion. It's not racism. You don't give a guy like Lamar guaranteed money to likely end up injured. Injury could strike anyone but with Watson, Lawrence, Brady, Wilson, etc. you have guys who throw first and are less likely to suffer an injury as a result.

We've all witnessed this, as Panthers fans. Would you all have given Cam a $200,000,000 fully guaranteed contract in 2017? No. No. And no. Why? His playing style led to him being injured and it's a dumb thing to commit that much cap space, and draft picks, to a guy who may not be there.

GM's and owners don't have to collude to reach this conclusion man.

[CPcavedweller]

2 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

How would they know what he wants without even talking to him?

Because he's said...what he wants?

[Tr3ach]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

He hasn't lost, per say, he just won't win as big as he was hoping.

He's going to get PAID.  Life changing money, generational money.  He's learning a VERY valuable lesson right now.

Yea not lost but it was mostly the ravens playing it smart because they are almost in a win/win spot right now with the non exclusive franchise tag.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, BullCityP said:

How would they know what he wants without even talking to him?

He wants more than 133 mil guaranteed.  Everyone knows that much. Apparently no other team wants to negotiate with him and his mom to pay him more that that.

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

We know what the Ravens offered, no?

If he won't accept that, then we know it must be higher than that?

What if that is too rich for our taste in Lamar?

I haven't heard about any earth-shattering numbers thus far. But, it could be too rich for our blood. I still find it odd that we didn't officially get confirmation.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He wants more than 133 mil guaranteed.  Everyone knows that much. Apparently no other team wants to negotiate with him and his mom to pay him more that that.

An agent probably would help greatly.

5 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Because he's said...what he wants?

Has he? I haven't heard him say much of anything.

[WhoKnows]

9 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

I think the apprehension has more to do with the injuries more than anything else. 
 

And it’s especially unfair to lump the Panthers in that category. We have a fan base and owner that is still reeling from a goat whose career was stolen by injuries and POS ass clown refs in SB 50. 

 

8 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Or maybe teams know what he wants in a contract and don’t want to pay it and give up 2 first round picks 

Both very reasonable conclusions. That’s a lot of guarantees and two firsts.

Also, injuries are a huge concern. We know what Cam went through with all of the surgeries and he never missed the end of the season two years in a row and he also never missed a playoff game.

How many QBs have missed the end of two consecutive seasons missing the playoff game one year and having their injury cause then to miss the playoff the other year?

The Ravens have won 1 playoff game in 5 years. Jackson is 1-3 and his injuries cost them one playoff game and one playoff appearance. He has 4 total TDs and 7 turnovers in 4 playoff games.

We can call is collusion, but there are very valid reasons for the Ravens being cautious. Clearly the Carr and Jones contracts show that people are still spending money on QBs but those deals are basically two year deals. Jackson is looking for 3-4x the guaranteed money and while he has been a better QB, that guarantee the whole deal cost is another level.

[SZ James (banned)]

I can't tell if the "well the owners don't want to pay him all that cash!!" contingent are just dense or if they're intentionally missing the entire point when it's staring them right in the face

[Jon Snow]

Just now, top dawg said:

An agent probably would help greatly.

Has he? I haven't heard him say much of anything.

Of course he needs a agent. An agent would already know his market value and where the interest in him may come from. Lamar needs to realize his situation and what he will be missing out on.  He would have already have massive contract if he would have had an agent from the start. It's just not smart for a qb to think he can negotiate his own contracts. I would pass on him just for that fact alone.

[WhoKnows]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

An agent probably would help greatly.

Has he? I haven't heard him say much of anything.

He’s already cost himself a lot of money by not having an agent and might not even be in this situation. The did a talk on him during the combine and the announcer made great points that an agent would have never let him play year 4 for only $1.7M and would never have let him play the 5th year without a new deal. Baltimore paid a former MVP $25M for his last two years. Lamar is already behind money wise and now he’s negotiating after finishing two years up with injuries losing 1 playoff game without him and missing the playoffs due to a backup starting multiple games to end the year.

[CamWhoaaCam]

45 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Are teams "dropping tweets" or are reporters asking people direct questions, and then reporting what they are told?

Could it be that teams may not be telling the "whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help them God" during lying season?

Again owners aren't stupid enough to collude, all they have to do is, not a damn thing.

Why can't a team just offer him a contract that they feel he is worth?

 

I don't know if you know this but "we don't have to offer him the Watson contract."

 

Offer him the Kyler Murray deal if the Ravens don't match we just got a franchise QB for a steal.

 

Daniel Jones is making 40+ mil a year. QB's are going to be high priced regardless of how good or not good they are. I will say it again we don't have to offer Lamar the Watson contract.

 

 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Why can't a team just offer him a contract that they feel he is worth?

 

I don't know if you know this but "we don't have to offer him the Watson contract."

 

Offer him the Kyler Murray deal if the Ravens don't match we just got a franchise QB for a steal.

 

Daniel Jones is making 40+ mil a year. QB's are going to be high priced regardless of how good or not good they are. I will say it again we don't have to offer Lamar the Watson contract.

 

 

Maybe the team just doesn't want him?

[NorthTryon]

I don't know about collusion in this instance, but I know they should've been colluding last year when the Browns went full retard and paid Watson all of that guaranteed money. 

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Why can't a team just offer him a contract that they feel he is worth?

 

I don't know if you know this but "we don't have to offer him the Watson contract."

 

Offer him the Kyler Murray deal if the Ravens don't match we just got a franchise QB for a steal.

 

Daniel Jones is making 40+ mil a year. QB's are going to be high priced regardless of how good or not good they are. I will say it again we don't have to offer Lamar the Watson contract.

 

 

Because league rules wouldn't allow it.