Brinson basically calls "collusion," but essentially says it's nearly impossible to prove

[CPcavedweller]

9 hours ago, top dawg said:

Will Brinson says what many are thinking:

 

"The idea of Baltimore dangling Lamar to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams. 

"And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the last 3-5 years. 

"There's a virtually zero percent chance of anything happening here. Good luck proving a bunch of NFL owners don't want to acquire Lamar Jackson simply to suppress a rogue contract given to another player in a similar situation just a year ago. But that reality makes a lot more sense than the idea of no one even wanting to consider acquiring a 26-year-old former MVP."

 

Yeah, he pretty much lays it all out, including using the Panthers as a prime example of how nonsensical all this is.

 

"The Carolina Panthers are largely irrelevant on a national stage. The Panthers with Lamar Freaking Jackson? That's a team getting multiple primetime games every year and the immediate favorite to win the NFC South..."

 

Yeah, we've been largely irrelevant on a national stage since Cam's downfall. It still stings for Brinson to say it. People, especially in NFL circles, have bought into the narrative of Moneybags Tepper being hellbent on landing a franchise QB though, even if it makes him seem kinda like a clown (at least how Brinson wrote it).

 

"David Tepper has been rejected multiple times in an attempt to trade for a franchise quarterback, including Watson, Matthew Stafford and -- not even joking here -- Carson Wentz. Lamar Jackson's on the block and he doesn't even want to check in on what it might take to acquire him? Again, sure."

 

I mean I think that it's only the naive that can't smell a rat. There certainly seems to be something fishy going on, but as an old Fox used to say, "It is, what it is." Not paying Lamar like Deshaun Watson has obvious justifications. Hell, not paying Watson like Watson had justifications. Mind you, this Lamar Jackson story is far from over, but we'll see what happens when the brash and charismatic Joe Burrow is on deck.

 

Brinson's piece is compelling to say the least.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/no-nfl-teams-want-to-acquire-lamar-jackson-and-the-reason-why-seems-painfully-obvious/amp/

It's collusion to not want to give a QB who has missed time in three of the last five seasons $250 million guaranteed?

Ooohhhkkkayyy.

[carpanfan96]

Eliminate the draft picks and if he was a fa, I still wouldn't want the Panthers to give him 40m a season fully guaranteed with his playing style and injury history...no thanks. 

[top dawg]

17 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

It's collusion to not want to give a QB who has missed time in three of the last five seasons $250 million guaranteed?

Ooohhhkkkayyy.

I think that that's a somewhat simplistic perspective, especially in light of the fact that the qb-needy teams in question all came out at relatively the same time with essentially the same tweet: "Not interested!"  And they didn't even officially kick the tires on him to see what his actual needs are?  Are you kidding me? We don't even really know what Lamar is demanding because no one has offered him anything but the Ravens pre-tag. But it's all a coincidence...

Edited March 8, 2023 by top dawg

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I think that that's a somewhat simplistic perspective, especially in light of the fact that the qb-needy teams in question all came out at relatively the same time with essentially the same tweet: "Not interested!"  And they didn't even officially kick the tires on him to see what his actual needs are?  Are you kidding me? We don't even really know what Lamar is demanding because no one has offered him anything bit the Ravens pre-tag. But it's all a coincidence...

Speculation that was tossed around on nfl network is that teams already knew what he was looking for.

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Speculation that was tossed around on nfl network is that teams already knew what he was looking for.

But, how could they possibly know that...unless they were talking among themselves about it...?

Edited March 8, 2023 by top dawg

[thefuzz]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I think that that's a somewhat simplistic perspective, especially in light of the fact that the qb-needy teams in question all came out at relatively the same time with essentially the same tweet: "Not interested!"  And they didn't even officially kick the tires on him to see what his actual needs are?  Are you kidding me? We don't even really know what Lamar is demanding because no one has offered him anything but the Ravens pre-tag. But it's all a coincidence...

We know what the Ravens offered, no?

If he won't accept that, then we know it must be higher than that?

What if that is too rich for our taste in Lamar?

[Tr3ach]

9 hours ago, top dawg said:

Will Brinson says what many are thinking:

 

"The idea of Baltimore dangling Lamar to the entire league, and no one having ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, is just wild. A 26-year-old former MVP simply DOES NOT become available in the NFL with no interest from other teams. 

"And not just no interest but a very quick lack of interest from a host of teams who have been aggressively pursuing quarterback solutions for the last 3-5 years. 

"There's a virtually zero percent chance of anything happening here. Good luck proving a bunch of NFL owners don't want to acquire Lamar Jackson simply to suppress a rogue contract given to another player in a similar situation just a year ago. But that reality makes a lot more sense than the idea of no one even wanting to consider acquiring a 26-year-old former MVP."

 

Yeah, he pretty much lays it all out, including using the Panthers as a prime example of how nonsensical all this is.

 

"The Carolina Panthers are largely irrelevant on a national stage. The Panthers with Lamar Freaking Jackson? That's a team getting multiple primetime games every year and the immediate favorite to win the NFC South..."

 

Yeah, we've been largely irrelevant on a national stage since Cam's downfall. It still stings for Brinson to say it. People, especially in NFL circles, have bought into the narrative of Moneybags Tepper being hellbent on landing a franchise QB though, even if it makes him seem kinda like a clown (at least how Brinson wrote it).

 

"David Tepper has been rejected multiple times in an attempt to trade for a franchise quarterback, including Watson, Matthew Stafford and -- not even joking here -- Carson Wentz. Lamar Jackson's on the block and he doesn't even want to check in on what it might take to acquire him? Again, sure."

 

I mean I think that it's only the naive that can't smell a rat. There certainly seems to be something fishy going on, but as an old Fox used to say, "It is, what it is." Not paying Lamar like Deshaun Watson has obvious justifications. Hell, not paying Watson like Watson had justifications. Mind you, this Lamar Jackson story is far from over, but we'll see what happens when the brash and charismatic Joe Burrow is on deck.

 

Brinson's piece is compelling to say the least.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/no-nfl-teams-want-to-acquire-lamar-jackson-and-the-reason-why-seems-painfully-obvious/amp/

Thats silly.  Giving up two firsts and a huge guranteed contract kills your roster.  It makes it almost impossible to build the roster overall.  Add in the fact that he has started to have injury issues, and he has looked not very good at all in the playoffs, and the fact that the ravens have no interest in giving him what he wants.   He overestimated his value.   Sometimes when you gamble on yourself, you lose.  None of that says collusion to me.  A lot of nfl fans, especially on the huddle it seems like sometimes, overvalue highlights.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, top dawg said:

But, how could they possibly know that...unless they were talking among themselves about it...?

Possibly.  I'm sure its no secret among teams. Especially if they were really interested. 

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

Thats silly.  Giving up two firsts and a huge guranteed contract kills your roster.  It makes it almost impossible to build the roster overall.  Add in the fact that he has started to have injury issues, and he has looked not very good at all in the playoffs, and the fact that the ravens have no interest in giving him what he wants.   He overestimated his value.   Sometimes when you gamble on yourself, you lose.  None of that says collusion to me.  A lot of nfl fans, especially on the huddle it seems like sometimes, overvalue highlights.

He hasn't lost, per say, he just won't win as big as he was hoping.

He's going to get PAID.  Life changing money, generational money.  He's learning a VERY valuable lesson right now.

[BullCityP]

8 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Or maybe teams know what he wants in a contract and don’t want to pay it and give up 2 first round picks 

How would they know what he wants without even talking to him?

[CPcavedweller]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I think that that's a somewhat simplistic perspective, especially in light of the fact that the qb-needy teams in question all came out at relatively the same time with essentially the same tweet: "Not interested!"  And they didn't even officially kick the tires on him to see what his actual needs are?  Are you kidding me? We don't even really know what Lamar is demanding because no one has offered him anything but the Ravens pre-tag. But it's all a coincidence...

According to Adam Schefter, they can't contact Lamar right now because it would be considered tampering. 

All of this is a non-issue. Teams saying "we aren't interested" is to protect them from any claims of tampering by the Ravens, ala the Dolphins in 2022.

In other words, teams coming out and saying "we are not pursuing Lamar Jackson" (right now) is cover for not losing draft picks and being fined by the NFL. Had the NFL not taken draft picks from the Dolphins, this wouldn't have happened.

So guess what? It's much ado about nothing. It's a cover until the tampering window is done. Why it's considered tampering, I don't know. I'm just repeating what Schefter said and ultimately answering the question of "is it collusion?" No, it isn't.

But, my point stands. Not only do you have to offer Lamar a fully guaranteed contract, you then have to trade your 2023 and 2024 1st round draft pick away. This for a guy who is a bottom 12 passer by DVOA and has missed several games in each of the past three seasons.

So, no, it's not collusion. It's not racism. You don't give a guy like Lamar guaranteed money to likely end up injured. Injury could strike anyone but with Watson, Lawrence, Brady, Wilson, etc. you have guys who throw first and are less likely to suffer an injury as a result.

We've all witnessed this, as Panthers fans. Would you all have given Cam a $200,000,000 fully guaranteed contract in 2017? No. No. And no. Why? His playing style led to him being injured and it's a dumb thing to commit that much cap space, and draft picks, to a guy who may not be there.

GM's and owners don't have to collude to reach this conclusion man.

[CPcavedweller]

2 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

How would they know what he wants without even talking to him?

Because he's said...what he wants?

[Tr3ach]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

He hasn't lost, per say, he just won't win as big as he was hoping.

He's going to get PAID.  Life changing money, generational money.  He's learning a VERY valuable lesson right now.

Yea not lost but it was mostly the ravens playing it smart because they are almost in a win/win spot right now with the non exclusive franchise tag.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, BullCityP said:

How would they know what he wants without even talking to him?

He wants more than 133 mil guaranteed.  Everyone knows that much. Apparently no other team wants to negotiate with him and his mom to pay him more that that.