Breaking: Lamar Jackson is available as Raven's have placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on him.

[Mr. Scot]

33 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

I think his teammates and the players understand. After RG III I think it made a lot of these guys more cautious with what they were willing to do for their teams, especially when it comes to ligament injuries. They know Lamar hasn't really been paid for what he's done in the NFL yet.

I think a majority of the players see Jackson's side when it comes to sitting out the playoffs while he didn't have a contract.

I wouldn't guarantee that.

There are likely some that do, but there are others who would tell you that they'll support your quest to get as much for yourself as you possibly can... But only up to the point where it affects their ability to do the same.

Anyone who feels like he could have played and didn't is likely going to have it in the back of their mind that they might have a playoff victory, or more, on their resumé if not for that.

They may not say anything publicly, but then you didn't see a whole lot of public criticism of Russell Wilson either...until he changed teams.

[bythenbrs]

46 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

Other than the PCL sprain, has Lamar Jackson really been injured enough to inhibit him? Last year there were rumors that he was fine to play, but had no incentive as injuring himself could limit his career earnings by potentially tens of millions of dollars.

No incentive?  How about 1) you're being paid to play unless you are truly injured, which, if true, is tantamount to theft; it can also be prosecuted as compensation fraud if provable, 2) personal integrity.  I'll admit that I'm old school and, apparently, honesty and integrity are no longer virtues and now considered passe'.

No wonder teams won't touch him.  He's destroyed his own brand.

[Krovvy]

23 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

No incentive?  How about 1) you're being paid to play unless you are truly injured, which, if true, is tantamount to theft; it can also be prosecuted as compensation fraud if provable, 2) personal integrity.  I'll admit that I'm old school and, apparently, honesty and integrity are no longer virtues and now considered passe'.

No wonder teams won't touch him.  He's destroyed his own brand.

The days of players destroying their bodies to benefit billionaires without proper compensation seems to be fading. The idea a player would risk their career to possibly win a game isn't logical when they've yet to be paid.

There's a reason the Ravens already reportedly already made Lamar Jackson an obscene offer, and it isn't because he's not worth it and the best years are behind him. At the same time there's a reason why a lot of players have been vocally supporting him on Twitter.

The NFL is a business, and I don't blame players for starting to think of it as the owners do.

Edited March 9, 2023 by Krovvy

[rebelrouser]

The players want the Deshaun Watson contract to be the new standard. If Deshaun got X, then Lamar should get Y kind of argument but the contract offered to Deshaun was simply stupid. What surprises me is the contract Daniel Jones got.  Lamar deserves more than that dude. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Sounds like everything we've been saying over and over again. 

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

The players want the Deshaun Watson contract to be the new standard. If Deshaun got X, then Lamar should get Y kind of argument but the contract offered to Deshaun was simply stupid. What surprises me is the contract Daniel Jones got.  Lamar deserves more than that dude. 

Deserves got nothing to do with it. It's what a team is willing to pay for their services.  You cannot explain why some team hands out some crazy contract the way some teams do. Just because one organization was dumb enough to overpay player A you cannot expect another team to overpay player B in the same fashion.  

[SmokinwithWilly]

12 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

The days of players destroying their bodies to benefit billionaires without proper compensation seems to be fading. The idea a player would risk their career to possibly win a game isn't logical when they've yet to be paid.

There's a reason the Ravens already reportedly already made Lamar Jackson an obscene offer, and it isn't because he's not worth it and the best years are behind him. At the same time there's a reason why a lot of players have been vocally supporting him on Twitter.

The NFL is a business, and I don't blame players for starting to think of it as the owners do.

I get what you're saying and I agree except he not thinking of it like owners do. Unless your mom is used to negotiating quarter billion dollar deals, get a pro. Unless you're familiar with navigating NFL contracts, get a pro. NFL owners and GMs are no different than any other business owner. They're trying to negotiate deals to their advantage and it's up to the other guy to protect his best interest. They spend millions on specialists to do this for a reason. Lamar should have too. 

[Krovvy]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I get what you're saying and I agree except he not thinking of it like owners do. Unless your mom is used to negotiating quarter billion dollar deals, get a pro. Unless you're familiar with navigating NFL contracts, get a pro. NFL owners and GMs are no different than any other business owner. They're trying to negotiate deals to their advantage and it's up to the other guy to protect his best interest. They spend millions on specialists to do this for a reason. Lamar should have too. 

No, you're right, he needs an agent. It's just when specifically talking about the playoffs he missed I don't understand why anyone would fault him when aggravating an injury that could end his career, going into the off-season where he's finally getting paid.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

No, you're right, he needs an agent. It's just when specifically talking about the playoffs he missed I don't understand why anyone would fault him when aggravating an injury that could end his career, going into the off-season where he's finally getting paid.

I guess it all depends on if he sat out for contract reasons or if he was legitimately worried about not being completely healed. Only he knows that. I think part of why it doesn't look good for him though is you have guys like Purdy who's arm was hanging by a thread, and he played. A career is a career. I'm sure Purdy's is just as valuable to him as Lamar's. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but appearances can do a boatload of damage whether true or not. I really hopes he wises up and hires an agent soon, for no other reason than to navigate everything outside of the contract talks. 

[bythenbrs]

40 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

The idea a player would risk their career to possibly win a game isn't logical when they've yet to be paid.

Lamar was playing for free?  Who knew?

Poppycock.  He was under contract and cashing the checks weekly.  He was being paid.  He owed 'performance' under the contract to the team that was paying him, and a moral obligation to his teammates to not 'mail it in'.

Anyone who deals with contracts understands the 'performance' obligation.  Look it up.

And thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[Krovvy]

5 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

Lamar was playing for free?  Who knew?

Poppycock.  He was under contract and cashing the checks weekly.  He was being paid.  He owed 'performance' under the contract to the team that was paying him, and a moral obligation to his teammates to not 'mail it in'.

Anyone who deals with contracts understands the 'performance' obligation.  Look it up.

And thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

How much choice was he given with those contracts?

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

How much choice was he given with those contracts?

100%. He negotiated his own contract from day 1. 

[Krovvy]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

100%. He negotiated his own contract from day 1. 

Within the limitations of the league. He's free to do what he wants now.

[SmokinwithWilly]

7 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

What's up with the media calling us losers for not going after Lamar?lol

 

This the 2nd day in a row media members are calling us losers on Nat'l tv. I think I know why Darnold/PJ/Mayfield/Bridgewater have been our QB's.

 

Lamar is a winning QB so that just doesn't make sense to Tepper.

Rhule wanted T2G, Darnold and Mayfield. PJ was here because of his connection to him. 

I don't care about being called losers for not going after Lamar yet if at ever. It's funny the media isn't calling him out on never hiring an agent and helping put himself in the position he's in. But then again, that doesn't make for a good victim story that gets lots of clicks.