The Ravens can’t be this dumb? They’re a smart organization right?

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Bengals part was sarcasm!

Also, Lamar was not looking good otherwise it would have been a bad loss. I think Lamar had already been hurt or was banged up. Personally, I know he can be great but I think we’re seeing what we saw with Cam’s shoulder. The shoulder is worse for a QB as Lamar could ease back on the running but if the threat to run diminishes, is he a good enough pass only QB. You have to be careful rushing him and worry about spying him. If defenses don’t have to do that receivers aren’t as open and pass rush isn’t so slow. It may take a few years but it feels similar and missing the end of two consecutive years puts up a bay signal that the Ravens are obviously taking serious.

Ellis Williams has an article about the Panthers and Jackson today.

His conclusion is in the tweet but the article is behind a paywall so I couldn't tell you what his reasoning is.

[CamWhoaaCam]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's pretty much how it is for all of free agency.

An agent can reach out to a team and say "Hey, would you like to negotiate with my client?" But If that team isn't interested, there's no recourse.

Yeah I know that I was basically asking can he actually choose the team if he had multiple suitors for a contract.

 

Say Washington and Atlanta both offer him a contract. Can he pick the team or is it whoever offers the contract first?

[TheCasillas]

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Yeah I know that I was basically asking can he actually choose the team if he had multiple suitors for a contract.

 

Say Washington and Atlanta both offer him a contract. Can he pick the team or is it whoever offers the contract first?

Yes. He would choose which team he'd go to. Baltimore only gets right of refusal based on contract demands.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

Yeah I know that I was basically asking can he actually choose the team if he had multiple suitors for a contract.

Say Washington and Atlanta both offer him a contract. Can he pick the team or is it whoever offers the contract first?

He has to agree to the deal.

Mind you, if the Ravens franchise tag him, they can match any offer.

If they give him the exclusive franchise tag, then he can't negotiate with anybody with them. Technically they could still give him permission to negotiate with someone else but in that scenario, they're not bound by the "two first rounders" language. They can negotiate anything they want in return.

[OldhamA]

20 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

No they didn't. It's widely been reported that their final offer was 133 mil guaranteed.

 

This has been about guaranteed money the entire time. He wants somewhere in the 200 mil range of guaranteed money.

 

If Kyler Murray got 189 mil guaranteed, Lamar is definitely right in seeking 200 mil guaranteed. Everybody complaining about how much Lamar wants then let him test the market. I guarantee you a team will offer him a much better deal than 133 mil guaranteed.

 

This is the hold up. The Cardinals negotiated a bad deal. The Ravens refuse to follow suit.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

This is the hold up. The Cardinals negotiated a bad deal. The Ravens refuse to follow suit.

Good teams really hate when bad teams do stupid sh-t.

[CamWhoaaCam]

2 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

This is the hold up. The Cardinals negotiated a bad deal. The Ravens refuse to follow suit.

Basically. The fact they still negotiation a year later tells me he is gone. They probably non exclusive tag him and see if a team offers them something they wont match. At least they still get 2 1st round picks out of it.

 

 

 

 

[TheCasillas]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Good teams really hate when bad teams do stupid sh-t.

However, now that the Browns are correcting their contract with Watson... bad teams wont hesitate to do the Watson deal again. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Good teams really hate when bad teams do stupid sh-t.

Especially with Watson. How do you reward a guy that much money after what he just did off the field.smh

 

Just shows you how the NFL doesn't really care about off field issues. These owners will sell their soul to get these elite players.

[SmokinwithWilly]

32 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

No they didn't. It's widely been reported that their final offer was 133 mil guaranteed.

 

This has been about guaranteed money the entire time. He wants somewhere in the 200 mil range of guaranteed money.

 

If Kyler Murray got 189 mil guaranteed, Lamar is definitely right in seeking 200 mil guaranteed. Everybody complaining about how much Lamar wants then let him test the market. I guarantee you a team will offer him a much better deal than 133 mil guaranteed.

 

Yes they did. 250m total contract with 133m guaranteed. The % of guaranteed money is higher than your examples of Geno and Carr. 

LJ - 53.2% fully guaranteed

Carr - 40% fully guaranteed

Geno - 40% fully guaranteed

https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-qb-lamar-jackson-turned-down-contract-larger-than-russell-wilson-s-in-key

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34569529/lamar-jackson-declined-baltimore-ravens-250m-extension-offer-wants-deal-fully-guaranteed-signing-sources-say

You're so focused on the guaranteed money you're ignoring the actual offer that was made. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Yes they did. 250m total contract with 133m guaranteed. The % of guaranteed money is higher than your examples of Geno and Carr. 

LJ - 53.2% fully guaranteed

Carr - 40% fully guaranteed

Geno - 40% fully guaranteed

https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-qb-lamar-jackson-turned-down-contract-larger-than-russell-wilson-s-in-key

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34569529/lamar-jackson-declined-baltimore-ravens-250m-extension-offer-wants-deal-fully-guaranteed-signing-sources-say

You're so focused on the guaranteed money you're ignoring the actual offer that was made. 

The guaranteed money is why he hasn't signed the contract!

 

My goodness dude where have you been the past year?

 

He wants the more guaranteed money!

[SmokinwithWilly]

15 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Geno Smith 100 mil

Derek Carr 150 mil

 

Ravens about to lose Lamar and they are crazy if they don't think a team will offer him 200 mil.

 

 

These are contract numbers provided by you EXCEPT

Geno didn't get 100 mil guaranteed. His actual contract is 105 with 40 guaranteed

Carr didn't get 150 mill guaranteed. His actual contract is 150 with 60 guaranteed. 

LJ's offer was 250m with 133m guaranteed. 

Someone may offer him 200m guaranteed. Don't care. But if you're going to argue contract numbers to prove your point, you may actually want to know what the contract numbers are. 

 

[CamWhoaaCam]

5 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

 

LJ's offer was 250m with 133m guaranteed. 

 

 

Wilson has 165 mil guaranteed

Murray has 189 mil guaranteed

 

Is Lamar not better than both of these QB's?

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Wilson has 165 mil guaranteed

Murray has 189 mil guaranteed

 

Is Lamar not better than both of these QB's?

Irrelevant. Your examples were Derek Carr and Geno Smith. You're changing your argument now that I've shown you don't know what the hell you're talking about.