The Ravens can’t be this dumb? They’re a smart organization right?

[thefuzz]

Smartest thing the Ravens could have done.

Bravo.

[FugginPoo]

Giving up 2 first AND paying huge $ against the cap seems like not the best move in current NFL draft/cap dynamics.  

[thefuzz]

12 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Lamar has a 75% win percentage as a starter.

 

Lamar is in the same situation as Cam. Franchise ask them to do it by yourself don't get him weapons than when it's time to pay they give you a joke of an offer 133mil guaranteed.

 

Lamar now says since you guys don't want to give me weapons just give me all my money.

 

I think they are going to let him test the market and if a team offers him more than they are willing to pay he's gone.

The Ravens won before him, and will do so after if he doesn't want to play under their terms.  I don't normally talk about winning % when it comes to QB's....and it really doesn't help when said team wins the same amount of games with you as they do without you.

[SmokinwithWilly]

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

What have the Ravens done to help Lamar?

 

They had him on a rookie contract and they didn't spend money to surround him with weapons. Now Lamar wants all his money because they aren't using it to help him.

 

Ravens are simply a cheap franchise.

You've asked this and been answered so many times it's ridiculous. It's just never the answer you want. 

[stratocatter]

So the Ravens will be screwed by not signing him to the deal he hopes to get, saving all that money, and then taking their two picks someone gives them?

Add that to this year’s 1st they can replace him with the 1st overall pick on a 5 year rooking deal. I’d not feel too screwed.  

I’d feel screwed if an injury prone player successfully held me hostage for a fully guaranteed king’s ransome.

[Jon Snow]

26 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

What have the Ravens done to help Lamar?

 

They had him on a rookie contract and they didn't spend money to surround him with weapons. Now Lamar wants all his money because they aren't using it to help him.

 

Ravens are simply a cheap franchise.

Are you his mom, I mean agent? What are you asking me for? I do not work for the Ravens.  His value is what someone is willing to pay him period.  His own team set his value to them at 133 mil guaranteed.  You need to get pissed at the Ravens and not me.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Sorry Mr Scot

I've answered you at least 10 times and you don't get it. You'll never get it. You're Daniel Stern in City Slickers trying to program a VCR. 

[Sgt Schultz]

5 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

So the Ravens will be screwed by not signing him to the deal he hopes to get, saving all that money, and then taking their two picks someone gives them?

Add that to this year’s 1st they can replace him with the 1st overall pick on a 5 year rooking deal. I’d not feel too screwed.  

I’d feel screwed if an injury prone player successfully held me hostage for a fully guaranteed king’s ransome.

I've been wondering for a while whether the Ravens were sold on continuing on with Jackson once his contract wound down.

People get enamored with him because he is exciting to watch.  Unlike a lot of QBs that can run, he is a good NFL passer.......right up until the playoffs start.  Then his passing numbers take a dramatic downturn.  I know, I know, the Ravens didn't do enough to put talent around him.  But it is the same talent that led to better passing production and efficiency from him during the regular season.  Once the playoffs start, his completion percentage drops a bit, but his interception rate goes up, his TD rate drops to about a third, and his sack percentage goes up quite a bit.

Granted, that is not all on him, but the difference when the playoffs start is that you can expect to see the opponents defense bring their "A game."  Both in execution and the game plan.  Thus far, Jackson's counter has not lived up to the spotlight.

If you are sitting in the Ravens' chair, you begin to wonder if he can get it done when the playoffs start.  In fairness, that collar is often unfair to put on somebody.  The Cowboys wonder(ed) the same thing about Prescott, but the difference is, Dak's playoff numbers aren't dramatically different than his regular season numbers.  The difference is Dak's lower numbers are within the realm of opposing defenses just being stingier in the playoffs.  Lamar's dropoff is more than that, whether that is on him, playing through injuries, his OC's and their game plans, or the rest of the team fading around him.

This may be a pending divorce that has been a longer time in the making than some realize.

 

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

So Lamar is just another QB let him go.

 

We will see how it plays out.

No, he's a QB that is hard to defend, and can make things happen when he's on the field, but he's off the field too much, and he's asking for top of the heap money while negotiating for himself in his about his 2nd contract.

 

[top dawg]

10 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

So Lamar is just another QB let him go.

 

We will see how it plays out.

He beat Mahomes' and Burrow's ass already with only one legit weapon. But I'm sure that escapes the haters.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

He beat Mahomes' and Burrow's ass already with only one legit weapon. But I'm sure that escapes the haters.

And lost to Steve Wilks with half a coaching staff 

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

People ask football questions on this board my man.

 

Also who is pissed?

 

 

I answered said question for you. You've been ranting for weeks on behalf of Lamar.  I think you are a bit perturbed that we are not taking up arms on his behalf along with you.

[stratocatter]

top dawg, you know QBs do not play each other.  Straw man. 
I think Mr fuzz is pretty straight on it. 
 

For me, I’d elaborate to include Lamar isn’t getting any younger, and when you factor in the style of play (that is what he is basing his pitch on, it’s his game). 
The style is risky, and worse: the effect seems to be cumulative, it compounds the issue the farther into the career you go. Or can, and the issue is total hits, you know, how long can a player go before a breakdown or a decline maybe I should say. 
When these numbers mount up they start to matter. Games, hits, pulls, strains, tears, concussions, whatever other metric you want to use. Miles. 

If he retracts a part of his game that contributed to his value, the team will be paying more and probably a lot more, for less. Some kind of less. TBD. But also to be expected. At some point in that contract he is liable to no longer be the guy he is today or may be next year. You know what I am saying? 
We watched Cam. 20 million a year and That roster spot, we were lucky. Now it is 45 million. Guaranteed too. 
Were I Baltimore I would franchise, franchise, release before I would sign the deal he is demanding. Or let someone give me the picks and financial flexibility to get the next QB and reset the clock.

If I were owner I would try to reason with him, and ask him not to back me into a corner.  
 

edit to add: I wrote from a Baltimore viewpoint, same goes for us, scepter we can’t franchise him obviously. I am bout to beg people to reclaim their senses and get out of this desperation ‘at all costs’ mentality that’s going around. Read a list of busted top ten picks or something. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by stratocatter

[CPcavedweller]

5 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

If they get 2 1sts for Lamar and someone else meets his demands they will jump all over that. 

Because Lamar hasn't finished the season in 3 of the last 5 years. So if his "prime" is being injured, I'd hate to see what the 2nd half of his career looks like. Who is paying a QB $250,000,000, guaranteed, to ride a bike?

Can you imagine? Just imagine. They have literally NO incentive to either want to play or work to restructure their deal. You won't be able to offload their contract because no one else will trade for that. And he plays a style of ball that will not translate well at all to aging. He is like a bottom 10 passer in the league as backed up by advanced statistics and is oft injured.

Good luck Lamar. It's not racist to not want to give you the Brinks truck because while effective when on the field, you have to be on the field to be worth the cash. I see his injury issues stacking up rather than magically disappearing.