How much is too much to trade?

[Growl]

Williams and Maye will either be the concrete megatalents that people here treat them like they are and they will unequivocally be locked in as the top picks or one will regress to the mean and the anti-qb crowd will no longer want them and suggest we should wait for arch Manning 

 

it’s a law of nature

[Wundrbread33]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

How is it?

you saying this isn’t a QB thirsty league. I’d love to see the data to prove otherwise.

The part I quoted is what I was responding to. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Brock Purdy would like a word. 

People are ready to pencil Purdy in as the next Tom Brady but I think they're getting way ahead of themselves. He was in the ideal situation and a complete unknown to opposing defenses. Let's see what he does next year when the league has an entire off-season to study up on him. If we even get the chance. Trey Lance very well might win that job anyway.

 

 

[ncfan]

4 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

It does if you move up a few picks.

I'm fully against trading our future away to get up to #1 or #3. 

But again it really doesn’t work that that.  Because that level of QB prospect doesn’t fall outside the top 5

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Growl said:

Williams and Maye will either be the concrete megatalents that people here treat them like they are and they will unequivocally be locked in as the top picks or one will regress to the mean and the anti-qb crowd will no longer want them and suggest we should wait for arch Manning 

 

it’s a law of nature

Yep. Every year.

 

[MHS831]

You bring up a good point (unstated) and this is a good thread--I think they will give up the three firsts if that is what it takes.  All factors point to "NOW" from front office, and Stroud can start very soon.  We should have some room in free agency next year, so the loss of a first rounder is not that huge. 

• 1. Young, Stroud, Levis, and Herndon are the "types" of QBs that Reich and McCown can relate to--not sure if they can coach up AR-15.  For that reason alone, he may be off the table unless they do not move up and he is there at #9--that probably is not happening. 
• 2.  Young is a bit small, and without the Bama advantages, I am not sure he is any better at throwing than Stroud.
• 3.  Stroud has the size and the ball placement to be more durable and just as effective as Young.  To me, he gets the nod.
• 4.  Levis' cannon was about average when put on the radar gun.  Maybe the rest of him is overrated too.  Not a fan.
• 5. Hooker is intriguing.  I watched a lot of his videos, and he really does not scan the field that often.  However, his measurables (size, hand size, etc) are pretty solid. 

Personally, as of right now from this perspective, I rate the QBs in terms of who I think this staff and GN will like:

1. Stroud A+  This is the type of QB who can start by mid season, if not sooner.  I really like him--just needs to be protected.  He throws a pretty ball that arrives on time at the right location--like Fed Ex.

2. Young A-  His size is his only concern--and he is less mobile than Stroud as a runner (think RPOs, options, etc).

3. Richardson B+ (not AR-15's fault--just we are not set up to coach his style of play. Not ready to play much in 2023, and if you play him to early, you could ruin him)

4. Levis B- (Seems like a dick to me--but he has the skills, just not the resume.  Could play sooner than AR-15, just not as well when he does)

5. Hooker C+  (Age and injury a slight concern, but not major.  Not ready to play in 2023.  Too many unknowns, but he could be ranked ahead of Levis if healthy to be evaluated now)

 

[ncfan]

8 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Brock Purdy would like a word. 

We really using a 5-6 game stretch of Purdy with a near perfect roster as gospel not to trade up for a QB?

[Billy Goat]

I'd be fine with them giving up 9 this year and two future firsts of they thought Stroud is a franchise QB. There's obviously risk attached but the likely alternative is signing Carr to a massive contract and drafting a project QB which will most likely be a bust. Both outcomes carry big risk and could hamper the organisation going forward in differing ways if they're unsuccessful.

[OldhamA]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

People are ready to pencil Purdy in as the next Tom Brady but I think they're getting way ahead of themselves. He was in the ideal situation and a complete unknown to opposing defenses. Let's see what he does next year when the league has an entire off-season to study up on him. If we even get the chance. Trey Lance very well might win that job anyway.

 

 

I'm not pencilling him in as anything, but he was literally Mr Irrelevant and came off the bench to win 6 straight games (and they looked lost when he got injured).

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. Every year.

 

Or we discover that the hype was just that--that players like Howell and Rattler were not first round locks after another season (or two) of college football--after we passed on a chance to get a QB. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Or we discover that the hype was just that--that players like Howell and Rattler were not first round locks after another season (or two) of college football--after we passed on a chance to get a QB. 

Sometimes the NFL makes really bad evaluations.

 

[OldhamA]

8 minutes ago, ncfan said:

But again it really doesn’t work that that.  Because that level of QB prospect doesn’t fall outside the top 5

• Herbert - 6
• Hurts - 53
• Allen - 7
• Jackson - 32
• Mahomes - 10
• Watson - 12

 

[Wundrbread33]

19 minutes ago, ncfan said:

My original post was regarding Stroud not Young.  And I don’t think we get to 1 for Young.  This is about moving up to 3 or 2 (if the bears move with the Texans)

If you don’t move to 3 and get one.  What’s the plan?  Bpa at 9 and roll with Darnold.  Then what’s the plan going forward?  Because you will be picking 22 range next year as Scott Fitterer said.  And if you think the price to move from 9 is a lot.  What do you think it’ll be to move from outside the top 20?

If you are picking around 22, odds are you don’t need to trade 3-4 firsts for a QB anyway. 
 

But to answer the question, I don’t think it would be that much more than what people are throwing around to trade up from 9. 
 

It’s already multiple future firsts. At that point, what’s another few picks going to matter? Odds will be great we look foolish either way. 
 

Odds any quarterback ends up being worth that cost are super low. Even established vets as we have seen of late.

 

Just have to stay calm, continue to build the roster, and let the coaches coach.

 

If a guy we love gets close to our pick, make a move, but this trade to 1 or 3 is pure panic.

 

 

Edited March 5, 2023 by Wundrbread33

[MHS831]

We have seen an offseason where Tepper opened his checkbook to bring in the best coaching staff in the NFL.  Name another good QB in the NFC South?  The time is now.  Not only will we land the best QB in this draft, we keep our rivals from getting him as well.  Atlanta picks before us.  Do we really think Fitterer is going to be frugal or conservative?
 

A: A big ol' bowl of NOPE.