Would you trade the 39th and 61st picks for Justin Fields?

[ForJimmy]

The real question is would you trade next year’s 3rd for Patrick Mahomes?

[Panthers Fan 69]

1 hour ago, Teddy2SuperBowlHeartBreaks said:

Even if you don't like Justin Fields as a passer (I don't) and think there are better QB options in the draft (I do), giving up two seconds (shots in the complete dark) for a QB that has proven he can at least PLAY in the NFL seems like a smart idea. Chicago said they would have to "fall in love" with a QB to draft him #1 overall. If Stroud, Young, AR or Levis is THAT guy, Chicago would gladly take him especially if they can get two additional seconds for in the same draft to build the team. On our end, I do believe we are a competent QB away from at least winning this awful division. A proven QB for 2 seconds seems like a Win Win for both sides. What say you? 

Hell no. No more projects. Dude is in year 3. Still is atrocious at passing and can’t stay healthy. Just draft until you hit. 

[45catfan]

13 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

They have flaws but they are franchise QB's.

 

Im not just talking about those guys though we can also get our QB through the draft.

 

Sitting on picks does no good if you don't have a legit QB. At some point you have to just go get your guy. I want Stroud, I don't care about trading picks. We need a QB!

Question, would you be okay with Levis or you just firmly in the Stroud camp?  Curious.

[KatsAzz]

I would be willing to trade the 39th and 61st pick for QB Justin Fields but my bet is the Bears will wisely hold on to him.   

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

That's false.

 

Nobody wants to trade anything for any QB. You got franchise QB's like Rodgers and Lamar available and nobody wants them. We chased after Deshaun Watson but can't go after these QB's?

 

Everybody seems comfortable staying put. This franchise is not going anywhere without a QB so it's best to go ahead and trade assets to get one.

People aren't comfortable staying put. They know you have to have a QB to win. They also realize it takes more than a QB to win. Paying an obscene contract and trading away multiple picks is going to make winning the NFC and a possible SB much more difficult. Then you also have to ask yourself, if these guys are so amazing, why are their franchises willing to let them walk? And just saying they're cheap isn't an answer. It's about maximizing value. 

Having a 2 million dollar sports car is great but if you can never get it above 80, what's the point? I'd rather have a nice car I can drive, a lake house, and a boat to take out on weekends with some extra money in the bank than a car that can never realize it's maximum potential for the same amount of money. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Teddy2SuperBowlHeartBreaks said:

I'm making the assumption that either Young, Stroud, Levis, or Richardson WOW at the combine/interviews and emerge as the consensus number 1. In that scenario why would they not take that player and ship Fields out for the best return they could get. Nobody is giving them a first for Fields, but 2 seconds in the same draft is an amazing return considering. 

Yeah...that's pure fantasy.

(borderline delusion, to be perfectly honest)

Edited February 27, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[Varking]

We don’t know if anyone would give up a first for Fields, but we do know the Bears aren’t accepting that. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

The real question is would you trade next year’s 3rd for Patrick Mahomes?

That's equally as credible a question as is in the OP.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, OldhamA said:

If the Bears even contemplated this trade then you'd have to question what's wrong with Fields.

Definitely 

[SmokinwithWilly]

48 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

My man our roster overall is pretty solid. You act like we have major holes. We finally have a decent Oline, we have a great your DB, a great young pass rusher DE.

 

What we don't have is the most important position in football which is QB.

 

 

It takes an entire team to win a championship, not just a QB. Paying 50 or 60m a year guaranteed for a QB is insane when you have to add in the picks it will cost to go get LJ or AR. Why do you think Brady constantly took less than market value, other than the fact he was making it up in his TB12 BS the Patriots were using and Giselle made more than him? He knew that he couldn't win it all alone. AR or LJ aren't going to get players to come here on a discount for a SB shot. Neither is a rookie QB. There are 52 other players to pay as well as QB.

Contrary to what you think, LJ has asked for a fully guaranteed contract. At this point, he's trying to save face because he exercised extremely questionable judgement regarding hiring an agent. I hold far more credibility to DeMaurice Smith than SAS in that regard. That young pass rushing DE will be gone because we won't be able to pay him $30m a year. Bozeman too. Can't pay him if you sign AR or LJ. That leaves you the masterful Pat Elfein. Without young high end talent to replace those that are let go, overall talent level will decline. You better hope that Fitts is an amazing GM because he's going to need to hit on 3 years worth of 3rd - 7th round starters and significant contributors to fill out the roster. 

This is about more than a single year. If we were a QB away from a SB run, I'd say go for it. We aren't. We haven't built well over the past couple of years. We have some good pieces, but we are very shallow behind those. We're also changing from 4-3 base to 3-4 base which is going to require some shifting and adding in personnel. We need a NT, RB, TE or two, WR, return guy, edge, LBs, FS, slot corner and CB2 (Dante is coming off an Achilles and CJ isn't starter material yet if ever), IOL(C/G preferably), swing tackle, oh yeah, and a franchise QB. That's a lot to pull off in a single year, even 2, not to mention the players that will be leaving in FA, retirement or injury. And you can forget being active in FA because we won't have the cap room to do it. 

There's a right way and a wrong way to build a contender. Either get your franchise QB in the draft, which I prefer or trade for a LJ, AR, Stafford if you're ready to run now. As long as our FO and coaches believe that the QB they can get has all the attributes necessary to become a franchise QB, great. Go get him if you can. But that means you also need to open yourself to the possibility it could be Carr, Minshew, Brisett, Hooker, Corral, or someone other than Stroud or Young. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Ask the 49ers how that turns out.

 

They have been favored to win the NFC for years and they can never win the SB because of their QB. No matter how much talent you have you aren't going to win without that QB.

The 49ers made it to the NFCCG this year with their 4th string QB. If he hadn't gotten massively injured in that game, it could very well be different. He outplayed the guy they traded 3 1sts to get. Coaching matters more than draft hype. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

I don't think there is any way the Bears seek less than a 1st for Fields. And even if that trade were on the table, it's still a hard pass.

[SmokinwithWilly]

14 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I don't live on what if's.

 

 

Fact. 49ers made it to the NFC championship on their 3rd string QB

Fact. Both 49ers QBs suffered game ending injuries. 

Fact. 49ers could not pass because their QB couldn't grip the football and their offense became one dimensional

Fact. 3 1sts for Trey Lance is looking like a massive bust right now based on injury and performance history

Fact. Neither AR nor LJ were in the championship game. Neither got it done. 

Fact. If AR or LJ had damaged their ulnar nerve that severely in game, they wouldn't be passing either and would have lost. 

Fact: Going and spending every asset you have to get AR or LJ or Stroud or Young or whatever shiny object QB you want isn't going to guarantee a Super Bowl win. 

Fact: You need effective, smart coaches and a smart FO to assemble as complete a team as possible, not just a QB. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by SmokinwithWilly

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Fact. 49ers made it to the NFC championship on their 3rd string QB

Fact. Both 49ers QBs suffered game ending injuries. 

Fact. 49ers could not pass because their QB couldn't grip the football and their offense became one dimensional

Fact. 3 1sts for Trey Lance is looking like a massive bust right now based on injury and performance history

Fact. Neither AR nor LJ were in the championship game. Neither got it done. 

Fact. If AR or LJ had damaged their ulnar nerve that severely in game, they wouldn't be passing either and would have lost. 

Fact: Going and spending every asset you have to get AR or LJ or Stroud or Young or whatever shiny object QB you want isn't going to guarantee a Super Bowl win. 

Fact: You need effective, smart coaches and a smart FO to assemble as complete a team as possible, not just a QB. 

He doesn't get it, dude.