Stafford/Carr Comparison

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Your argument was based on a single stat, QB rating. Obviously there was more to Cam's game than just passing, that's why using a single stat is so deceiving. We have to look at the big picture. And I was a big proponent of getting Minshew instead of Darnold. 

I've already said that I agree that we should look at the bigger picture.

I was a proponent of Minshew over Darnold as well, and posted this article as an argument.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/lists/panthers-quarterback-trade-options-sam-darnold-jalen-hurts-gardner-minshew/

Carr has had way more opportunities and way more production being that he was a second round pick, and the expectations that come with that, but Minshew is likely the better value when looking at the bigger picture.

[csx]

4 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

The Jets showed just how much they respect Carr that they put him on the waiting list to wait for Aaron Rodgers.

I would be shocked if he signs there they treated him as plan B.

 

My guess is he goes to the Saints. Im not sure either teams are offering him 35 mil a year which is reportedly what he wants.

 

Hopefully we stay away from him. 

Of course he would be behind Rodgers. He has 2 winning seasons in 9.

[Stuart Smith]

7 hours ago, top dawg said:

I would like to know why I should invest all that money into Carr and not just pay Gardner Minshew less and roll with him. Why is Minshew's career passer rating actually higher than Carr's?

I understand your feelings, I have thought about the same thing. However, if you get Brissett or Minshew you probably pay them 8 or 10 mil a year to be a bridge. If you pay Carr 32 mil a year you don’t pay the bridge quarterback. You could still draft a future quarterback and see if he or Corral shows promise. I am not advocating for this, but I understand those who think this way. I trust Reich and Company to make the best choice. 

[Wundrbread33]

People keep saying “he has 2 winning seasons out of 9”, but can you confidently say that’s his fault?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Umm yes he's the QB.

So you're saying a quarterback with more losing seasons than winning ones is a bad QB?

Okay

[Wundrbread33]

12 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Umm yes he's the QB.

 

The people defending him are comparing him to 1 QB Stafford who went to a loaded team. Nobody is saying Carr is a bad QB he just doesn't fit with this roster.

 

His agent needs to be on the phone with the 49ers. That's a situation where I can compare him to Stafford and he gets a chance with a loaded roster to get a ring.

 

 

“Umm yes he’s the QB” doesn’t cut it. It’s too simple. Team game. 
 

And why doesn’t he fit with this roster? A Stafford comparison isn’t silly. 
 

Stafford went from disfunction to a team with an offensive plan and he thrived. 
 

We may not be as talented as that Rams team, but we have been competitive with absolute  liabilities at QB. 
 

We have a staff that will know how to run an offense, and we are a playoff team with a competent QB, especially in our trash division. 
 

Winning a Super Bowl is hard, so you don’t have to call him Stafford, but Stafford lite is a realistic scenario. 

[mav1234]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not when you account for the growth of the salary cap.

Carr and his people aren't dumb. They'll be anticipating that and acting like they'll go for a teddy Bridgewater level deal in equivalent dollars seems dumb.

Edited February 25, 2023 by mav1234

[Mr. Scot]

57 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Bro why do you overthink everything?

I clearly said he was a good QB just not good enough with this roster we have.

49ers/Jets should be the teams he's looking at. Im not trying to just make the playoffs with Carr. I want to actually win a SB. Either draft a QB and develop them or trade for a true franchise QB who can win right now aka Lamar/Rodgers.

Been saying this forever but you can't seem to comprehend you rather ask silly questions.

Not a clue...

40 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

“Umm yes he’s the QB” doesn’t cut it. It’s too simple. Team game. 

And why doesn’t he fit with this roster? A Stafford comparison isn’t silly. 

Stafford went from disfunction to a team with an offensive plan and he thrived. 

We may not be as talented as that Rams team, but we have been competitive with absolute  liabilities at QB. 

We have a staff that will know how to run an offense, and we are a playoff team with a competent QB, especially in our trash division. 

Winning a Super Bowl is hard, so you don’t have to call him Stafford, but Stafford lite is a realistic scenario. 

He doesn't know, dude.

[csx]

Carr is on on the level Stafford was. I think everyone knows or should know that.

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, csx said:

Carr is on on the level Stafford was. I think everyone knows or should know that.

Not really. Stafford has averaged minimum 64% to 68% completion for 8 seasons in a row along with 9 seasons of 4000 or more passing yards. If Carr had that level of consistency he would already be signed to one of the largest QB deals in league history. Folks on the huddle are desperate to build up Carr as a sure thing. Sorry. He isn't.

[Xtreme]

8 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We have like 5 different Carr threads.

 

People really want this dude as the next Panthers QB.lol

 

Carr so wanted the Jets literally put him on hold to wait for Aaron Rodgers to end his retreat.smh

Well, he's a proven QB. I just don't see us getting Stroud or Young. Levis and Richardson are possibilities, but statistically speaking, there's a good chance they will be busts. But it may be a couple of seasons before we'll know for sure. Wouldn't you rather go with the veteran QB with multiple pro-bowls under his belt? It's either win now or be prepared to wait a couple of seasons to see whomever we draft works out.

[Xtreme]

12 minutes ago, frankw said:

Not really. Stafford has averaged minimum 64% to 68% completion for 8 seasons in a row along with 9 seasons of 4000 or more passing yards. If Carr had that level of consistency he would already be signed to one of the largest QB deals in league history. Folks on the huddle are desperate to build up Carr as a sure thing. Sorry. He isn't.

I mean, he's more of a sure thing than any rookie QB. 

[frankw]

3 hours ago, Wundrbread33 said:

What’s your definition of “retread”? Additionally, how is the term used in context on this board? (Was “retread” used by Ram fans when they were winning games with Stafford for example)
 

These must be defined in order for a “truth” statement to be arrived at. 

If we assumed “his team decided to move on” is your definition, then would you consider any free agent or trade acquisition as a “retread”? Even players who you personally like?

 

Or is it, as I assume, a term reserved to talk about players from other teams in a negative light.

Let me ask you this straight up. What path do you think we have better odds of resulting in another Super Bowl appearance with? Chasing other teams discarded quarterbacks or drafting our own?

Let's take a look at the last 10-15 years of Super Bowl teams.

https://www.insider.com/how-super-bowl-teams-acquired-their-quarterback-2022-2

You've got 3 key free agents who helped their new team win one. Brees who went from SD to NO. Manning who went from Indy to Denver. And Brady who went from NE to Tampa Bay. All three are basically instant hall of famers and one is the undisputed goat albeit a total douchecanoe. Beyond that you've got a couple trades that are very rare like the Stafford to Rams deal. What's the trend with the rest? Drafted!

Edited February 25, 2023 by frankw

[csx]

26 minutes ago, frankw said:

Not really. Stafford has averaged minimum 64% to 68% completion for 8 seasons in a row along with 9 seasons of 4000 or more passing yards. If Carr had that level of consistency he would already be signed to one of the largest QB deals in league history. Folks on the huddle are desperate to build up Carr as a sure thing. Sorry. He isn't.

I thought I typed not on level. I certainly meant to