Panthers met with Hooker per report

[Doc Holiday]

So, Hooker is my number 2 QB on my board, behind CJ Stroud. 

I also don't believe Bryce Young will go in the top 15 of the NFL draft. His size will likely scare a lot of teams off him. Before you say that Murray was drafted high, Murray is short and stocky; Young is short and a stick. Big difference. 

[Mr. Scot]

41 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

So, Hooker is my number 2 QB on my board, behind CJ Stroud. 

I also don't believe Bryce Young will go in the top 15 of the NFL draft. His size will likely scare a lot of teams off him. Before you say that Murray was drafted high, Murray is short and stocky; Young is short and a stick. Big difference. 

To be fair, Murray's also not very good.

As far as true quarterback skills, Young is really good.

But his size is... concerning.

[top dawg]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair, Murray's also not very good.

As far as true quarterback skills, Young is really good.

But his size is... concerning.

So, Murray isn't very good. Murray's and Carr's career passer rating are almost identical, and the rushing yards (especially considering their years in the league) aren't even close. If Murray isn't very good, then Carr isn't either, yet you act like an undercover Carr Stan. How ironic.

Edited February 22, 2023 by top dawg

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

So, Murray isn't very good. Murray's and Carr's career passer rating are almost identical, and the rushing yards (especially considering their years in the league) aren't even close. If Murray isn't very good, then Carr isn't either, yet you act like an undercover Carr Stan. How ironic.

Just so I'm clear, you plan to carry this particular psychotic break into every thread? 

[top dawg]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Just so I'm clear, you plan to carry this particular psychotic break into every thread? 

Oh how very insulting. That's classic Scot when someone points out such a silly opinion, but no worries, you can get away with your insults Scot free.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Oh how very insulting. That's classic Scot when someone points out such a silly opinion, but no worries, you can get away with your insults Scot free.

Oy

You know, I've never put anyone on "ignore" before, but I might do so in this case just because I don't feel like every thread I'm in needs the bother of this petty silliness (or silly pettiness) you've descended into now.

I'll say this much: If the team ultimately decides not to pursue Derek Carr, I'll be okay with it. If they do though, I fear your head's going to explode.

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oy

You know, I've never put anyone on "ignore" before, but I might do so in this case just because I don't feel like every thread I'm in needs the bother of this petty silliness (or silly pettiness) you've descended into now.

I'll say this much: If the team ultimately decides not to pursue Derek Carr, I'll be okay with it. If they do though, I fear your head's going to explode.

I assure you that it will not. I realize that signing Carr is a possibility, and I will have to accept it if it happens. I will just question our use of resources if we pay him top dollar for more than a year or two. I also won't be expecting us to be legitimate contenders for a Lombardi anytime soon.

As for ignoring, if all you're going to do is low-key insult me, then feel free. There are others that I can have actual discussions and disagreements with while mutually respecting one another without the insults.

[Khyber53]

13 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Well when you wrong you’re wrong and you sir are wrong. But I am glad your okay being wrong. 
Panthers are not gonna draft a QB in the second round. It is either first round or not at all. 

We shall see. 

[shaqattaq]

19 hours ago, CLG said:

Quality post based off the title alone. 

It was while Jerry was in charge!

[Bear Hands]

19 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

It doesn't surprise me. He's rated higher by teams than these draftnicks think. There will be other surprises that challenge the narrative around this class as well. There was a reason it was viewed as as loaded qb draft last year. Opportunity is a factor in every draft so buckle up.

Totally.  I see McKee and Hooker being viewed more favorably internally for teams than the draftnick's think. Doesn't place them solidly in the 1st but who knows.  

There's a perceived cliff around their tier because of all the guys who didn't declare: Jayden Daniels, Penix, McCall, Ward, Nix.  So, you've got less than favorable R1 trade up candidates (a la Lamar) that people who want BPA at 9 can promote.   It's just McKee and Hooker, then there's a pretty substantial drop off to Haener, Duggan, Hall, then a lot of nothing.  

But overall, as a prospect class, compared to this time last year, the only guy that truly fell off the radar was Tyler Van Dyke.  The rest all held the hype.    

Stroud, Richardson, Levis, Young were all getting buttered up as 1st rounders even during the 21 season, and many were excited about them headed into this past year.  Not to mention, many had been high on Haener here and there, although the reality is he's Day 2 at best (just too twig-like but he's still a fave of mine)  

Compared to the last decade, this is honestly a lot more promising than others.  I'd say it's better than last year, 2019, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, & 2013.  People are getting lost in the Maye/Caleb fever dream and losing context.    

4 1st rounders, 2 potential late 1st/2nds.  And then 2-3 solid mid rounders. 

 

[TheMaulClaw]

Hendon Hooker is another Teddy Bridgewater, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not what we need.  

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Totally.  I see McKee and Hooker being viewed more favorably internally for teams than the draftnick's think. Doesn't place them solidly in the 1st but who knows.  

There's a perceived cliff around their tier because of all the guys who didn't declare: Jayden Daniels, Penix, McCall, Ward, Nix.  So, you've got less than favorable R1 trade up candidates (a la Lamar) that people who want BPA at 9 can promote.   It's just McKee and Hooker, then there's a pretty substantial drop off to Haener, Duggan, Hall, then a lot of nothing.  

But overall, as a prospect class, compared to this time last year, the only guy that truly fell off the radar was Tyler Van Dyke.  The rest all held the hype.    

Stroud, Richardson, Levis, Young were all getting buttered up as 1st rounders even during the 21 season, and many were excited about them headed into this past year.  Not to mention, many had been high on Haener here and there, although the reality is he's Day 2 at best (just too twig-like but he's still a fave of mine)  

Compared to the last decade, this is honestly a lot more promising than others.  I'd say it's better than last year, 2019, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, & 2013.  People are getting lost in the Maye/Caleb fever dream and losing context.    

4 1st rounders, 2 potential late 1st/2nds.  And then 2-3 solid mid rounders. 

 

I've seen both Hooker and McKee ranked higher that AR. I've seen Hooker ranked higher than Levis. This class is viewed differently than the media mouth breathers are predicting them to fall. I just cannot put any stock into who's going where this early. The underwear Olympics will have mock draft nuts throwing sh!t out there to get clicks. But until FA is over teams draft boards will not be set.

Edited February 22, 2023 by Jon Snow

[LinvilleGorge]

19 hours ago, RumHam said:

Dude is one hit away from being a wasted pick

Everyone is.

[Sgt Schultz]

42 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

It was while Jerry was in charge!

I was think that very thing......didn't we lose an owner over this a few years ago?