Panthers met with Hooker per report

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Oh how very insulting. That's classic Scot when someone points out such a silly opinion, but no worries, you can get away with your insults Scot free.

Oy

You know, I've never put anyone on "ignore" before, but I might do so in this case just because I don't feel like every thread I'm in needs the bother of this petty silliness (or silly pettiness) you've descended into now.

I'll say this much: If the team ultimately decides not to pursue Derek Carr, I'll be okay with it. If they do though, I fear your head's going to explode.

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oy

You know, I've never put anyone on "ignore" before, but I might do so in this case just because I don't feel like every thread I'm in needs the bother of this petty silliness (or silly pettiness) you've descended into now.

I'll say this much: If the team ultimately decides not to pursue Derek Carr, I'll be okay with it. If they do though, I fear your head's going to explode.

I assure you that it will not. I realize that signing Carr is a possibility, and I will have to accept it if it happens. I will just question our use of resources if we pay him top dollar for more than a year or two. I also won't be expecting us to be legitimate contenders for a Lombardi anytime soon.

As for ignoring, if all you're going to do is low-key insult me, then feel free. There are others that I can have actual discussions and disagreements with while mutually respecting one another without the insults.

[Khyber53]

13 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Well when you wrong you’re wrong and you sir are wrong. But I am glad your okay being wrong. 
Panthers are not gonna draft a QB in the second round. It is either first round or not at all. 

We shall see. 

[shaqattaq]

19 hours ago, CLG said:

Quality post based off the title alone. 

It was while Jerry was in charge!

[Bear Hands]

19 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

It doesn't surprise me. He's rated higher by teams than these draftnicks think. There will be other surprises that challenge the narrative around this class as well. There was a reason it was viewed as as loaded qb draft last year. Opportunity is a factor in every draft so buckle up.

Totally.  I see McKee and Hooker being viewed more favorably internally for teams than the draftnick's think. Doesn't place them solidly in the 1st but who knows.  

There's a perceived cliff around their tier because of all the guys who didn't declare: Jayden Daniels, Penix, McCall, Ward, Nix.  So, you've got less than favorable R1 trade up candidates (a la Lamar) that people who want BPA at 9 can promote.   It's just McKee and Hooker, then there's a pretty substantial drop off to Haener, Duggan, Hall, then a lot of nothing.  

But overall, as a prospect class, compared to this time last year, the only guy that truly fell off the radar was Tyler Van Dyke.  The rest all held the hype.    

Stroud, Richardson, Levis, Young were all getting buttered up as 1st rounders even during the 21 season, and many were excited about them headed into this past year.  Not to mention, many had been high on Haener here and there, although the reality is he's Day 2 at best (just too twig-like but he's still a fave of mine)  

Compared to the last decade, this is honestly a lot more promising than others.  I'd say it's better than last year, 2019, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, & 2013.  People are getting lost in the Maye/Caleb fever dream and losing context.    

4 1st rounders, 2 potential late 1st/2nds.  And then 2-3 solid mid rounders. 

 

[TheMaulClaw]

Hendon Hooker is another Teddy Bridgewater, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not what we need.  

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Totally.  I see McKee and Hooker being viewed more favorably internally for teams than the draftnick's think. Doesn't place them solidly in the 1st but who knows.  

There's a perceived cliff around their tier because of all the guys who didn't declare: Jayden Daniels, Penix, McCall, Ward, Nix.  So, you've got less than favorable R1 trade up candidates (a la Lamar) that people who want BPA at 9 can promote.   It's just McKee and Hooker, then there's a pretty substantial drop off to Haener, Duggan, Hall, then a lot of nothing.  

But overall, as a prospect class, compared to this time last year, the only guy that truly fell off the radar was Tyler Van Dyke.  The rest all held the hype.    

Stroud, Richardson, Levis, Young were all getting buttered up as 1st rounders even during the 21 season, and many were excited about them headed into this past year.  Not to mention, many had been high on Haener here and there, although the reality is he's Day 2 at best (just too twig-like but he's still a fave of mine)  

Compared to the last decade, this is honestly a lot more promising than others.  I'd say it's better than last year, 2019, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, & 2013.  People are getting lost in the Maye/Caleb fever dream and losing context.    

4 1st rounders, 2 potential late 1st/2nds.  And then 2-3 solid mid rounders. 

 

I've seen both Hooker and McKee ranked higher that AR. I've seen Hooker ranked higher than Levis. This class is viewed differently than the media mouth breathers are predicting them to fall. I just cannot put any stock into who's going where this early. The underwear Olympics will have mock draft nuts throwing sh!t out there to get clicks. But until FA is over teams draft boards will not be set.

Edited February 22, 2023 by Jon Snow

[LinvilleGorge]

19 hours ago, RumHam said:

Dude is one hit away from being a wasted pick

Everyone is.

[Sgt Schultz]

42 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

It was while Jerry was in charge!

I was think that very thing......didn't we lose an owner over this a few years ago? 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everyone is.

Technically Mitch Marrow wasn't

[MHS831]

18 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

my bad he is 25, that clears things up, lets draft him then

I see what you are saying and you have a point, but you are saying it as if you know the answer and others don't--.  Here is the other side of the coin you are flipping and screaming that you know it is going to land on your side--

You would get a mature QB who can develop for a season and compete for the starting job.  Let's say his first contract covers years 26-29.  You pay him a rookie contract during his prime.  The average QB in the NFL lasts 4.4 years, so age is only a factor if he succeeds.  If he does, you give him a second contract wherein he plays until he is 34.  https://thesportsdaily.com/news/what-is-the-average-length-of-an-nfl-career-by-position/

Instead of paying some kid to learn to shave while he is on his rookie contract.

I think maturity plays a role in the first round QB bust rate.  Lotta pressure on a kid to come to city and turn them into a winner.

As a second to third rounder to compete for the job, he is actually a good value with as much of a chance to start as anybody. 

As for the gimmick offense argument people are making--that is what they said about Auburn in 2010 or so.  Hooker had no control over the offense, and all he did was excel.  Look at the player instead.   If you put Pat Mahomes in the Tennessee offense, would his stats have been better? In the past 2 seasons, Hooker stats: 58 TDs and 5 Ints.  Averaging about 69%.  He is 6-4 220--perfect size.    Here is a pretty good assessment of Hooker:

https://www.downtownrams.com/single-post/2023/02/18/hendon-hooker-nfl-draft-scouting-report-draft-profile/

 

[Bear Hands]

10 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

"Talking about a body of work, a game that was his best, I need to see more and I need to see a lot more"- Levis stans favorite 2021 game broken down on the QB school

 

He is far and away one of the most frustrating QB prospects that I can remember. I want to like him, I want to love all of these top prospects, but he just leaves so much to be desired every time I try to check him out.

He has a decent understanding of a pro offense and understands layering throws.  The tools are there, but he never seems to leverage his best traits.  For having such a strong/pro-level release & strength, his deep balls just don't consistently have the touch you want.  There's a lot of guys slowing and coming back for the ball, even though that should be his strength.  Now, it's not always the case, he's had a few great flashes that were against Northern Illinois and on his 21' tape w/Wandale.  I just saw very inconsistent accuracy this past year and highly questionable decision making.  

And after considering all of that, Coach Franklin, who I highly respect (Go Dores), stuck with a subpar Sean Clifford and essentially used Levis as a battering ram.  There was just a lot of strangeness in the staff's unwillingness to have him succeed the legend that is Trace McSorley.  And then once he hit the transfer window, I find even more strange how little interest he received with Kentucky being his only larger program option (UMass, UConn & Rutgers were the notable other options).  His skills weren't some mystery either.  He had Jimbo touting him in the CFB world.

Add on he's a super senior so should be nicely refined at this point as a passer, yet he's not.  I just can't get on board but I refuse to diss him entirely given the probability he could be our QB.  

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

He is far and away one of the most frustrating QB prospects that I can remember. I want to like him, I want to love all of these top prospects, but he just leaves so much to be desired every time I try to check him out.

He has a decent understanding of a pro offense and understands layering throws.  The tools are there, but he never seems to leverage his best traits.  For having such a strong/pro-level release & strength, his deep balls just don't consistently have the touch you want.  There's a lot of guys slowing and coming back for the ball, even though that should be his strength.  Now, it's not always the case, he's had a few great flashes that were against Northern Illinois and on his 21' tape w/Wandale.  I just saw very inconsistent accuracy this past year and highly questionable decision making.  

And after considering all of that, Coach Franklin, who I highly respect (Go Dores), stuck with a subpar Sean Clifford and essentially used Levis as a battering ram.  There was just a lot of strangeness in the staff's unwillingness to have him succeed the legend that is Trace McSorley.  And then once he hit the transfer window, I find even more strange how little interest he received with Kentucky being his only larger program option (UMass, UConn & Rutgers were the notable other options).  His skills weren't some mystery either.  He had Jimbo touting him in the CFB world.

Add on he's a super senior so should be nicely refined at this point as a passer, yet he's not.  I just can't get on board but I refuse to diss him entirely given the probability he could be our QB.  

Every year there are players that scare me because I fear we will draft them.  Levis is that guy this year--I would rather have AR.  With Levis I see a nomad with a cardboard sign in his hand, standing at the intersection of Hope and Despair.  (dramatic ending to my post)

[LinvilleGorge]

Levis is scarily similar to Darnold IMO.

At least with Darnold's draft evaluation you had youth and relative inexperience to lean on to justify taking him high.