Panthers met with Hooker per report

[Dorian Gray]

People saying he's a worse QB than AR and Levis are crazy. Maybe he doesn't have the POTENTIAL of those guys, but he's actually accomplished more on the field than they have. And looked better doing it. More consistent, more cerebral, better grasp of the field. He just doesn't have off-the-charts measurables and he's older than the average draft pick.

[SCO96]

This is a long thread. If this has been posted I apologize. I found this on NFL.com. Bucky Brooks is a former player and scout. He's a knowledgeable guy. He has Hooker ranked #3 in this years QB class, just ahead of Levis @ #4. Both reports are worth reading because. Pros and Cons are listed. Both guys would benefit from the strong coaching staff Reich has assembled in Carolina.

https://www.nfl.com/news/bucky-brooks-top-five-2023-nfl-draft-prospects-by-position-1-0-stroud-young-hook

[TheMaulClaw]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Teddy’s career rushing yards at Louisville were 226 averaging .8 per carry Hooker was 2079 averaging 4 yards a carry. Yeah they seem sooooo similar…..

Yeah and he blew out his ACL when the wind blew the wrong way.

Btw Bridgewater rushed 53 times for 279 yards his year with Carolina averaging over 5 a carry.  He isn't Eli Manning.

 

 

 

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

This is a long thread. If this has been posted I apologize. I found this on NFL.com. Bucky Brooks is a former player and scout. He's a knowledgeable guy. He has Hooker ranked #3 in this years QB class, just ahead of Levis @ #4. Both reports are worth reading because. Pros and Cons are listed. Both guys would benefit from the strong coaching staff Reich has assembled in Carolina.

https://www.nfl.com/news/bucky-brooks-top-five-2023-nfl-draft-prospects-by-position-1-0-stroud-young-hook

If we are planning on waiting until the 2nd to draft him we better have a plan B, because it just takes one team with a high ranking like this to swoop in and draft him.  

[TheMaulClaw]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

If we are planning on waiting until the 2nd to draft him we better have a plan B, because it just takes one team with a high ranking like this to swoop in and draft him.  

Hooker's ypc his senior season was essentially identical to Bridgewater's the year he was here

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

If we are planning on waiting until the 2nd to draft him we better have a plan B, because it just takes one team with a high ranking like this to swoop in and draft him.  

If our plan to fix the qb situation here is to wait and draft hooker in the 2nd then we are dumber than dirt for a multitude of reasons.  Having said that we have adults in the room now and they will come up with a better plan then that.   Which is why I think Hooker will basically be off our qb board when it comes time to draft

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Yeah and he blew out his ACL when the wind blew the wrong way.

Btw Bridgewater rushed 53 times for 279 yards his year with Carolina averaging over 5 a carry.  He isn't Eli Manning.

 

 

 

What does his injury have to do with anything?  ACL injuries happen in practice sometimes. What a pointless comment....

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2089798-how-and-why-minimal-or-non-contact-injuries-occur-in-nfl-workouts#:~:text=In the case of direct,also plays a significant role.

Hooker is a true dual threat QB in college, Teddy was a pocket passer than rarely ran.  Comparing them is just random.  The fact that you had to pull one year out of his whole career and still came up with only 279 total rushing yards tells the whole story.

[ForJimmy]

10 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Hooker's ypc his senior season was essentially identical to Bridgewater's the year he was here

and higher than Josh Allen's were in college?  So what exactly does that mean??  Is he a stronger Josh Allen because of your random metric you are using?  Seems pretty flawed....

[ForJimmy]

12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If our plan to fix the qb situation here is to wait and draft hooker in the 2nd then we are dumber than dirt for a multitude of reasons.  Having said that we have adults in the room now and they will come up with a better plan then that.   Which is why I think Hooker will basically be off our qb board when it comes time to draft

I agree.  I think it's just hard to project where a QB is going to go in the draft (aside from the top ones), because it's such a premium position that will constantly be over drafted.   I'm just still confused by the guy who called Hooker Teddy?  So I've heard Stroud and Hooker be compared to Teddy so far this offseason....

[TheMaulClaw]

11 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

and higher than Josh Allen's were in college?  So what exactly does that mean??  Is he a stronger Josh Allen because of your random metric you are using?  Seems pretty flawed....

You are the one that quoted a random metric to start this debate off.  You decided to only use a small portion of Bridgewater's college statistics to make him seem slow, unathletic, and unable to scramble.  His yards came after major knee reconstruction too.

When the reality is Hooker and Bridgewater both have mild scrambling ability, are known for accuracy, and are both injury prone.  Hooker should be happy if he winds up with the same career as Teddy toilet water.

Edited February 22, 2023 by TheMaulClaw

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

You are the one that quoted a random metric to start this debate off.  You decided to only use a small portion of Bridgewater's college statistics to make him seem slow, unathletic, and unable to scramble.  His yards came after major knee reconstruction too.

When the reality is Hooker and Bridgewater both have mild scrambling ability, are known for accuracy, and are both injury prone.  Hooker should be happy if he winds up with the same career as Teddy toilet water.

A QB with over 2000 rushing yards and 25 rushing TDs in college isn't what I would consider "mild scrambling."  Teddy had like 1/10th of that against lesser defenses and you want to sit here and act like they are similar in that sense?  Sometimes its ok to just say "yeah it was a bad comparison." I like in Knoxville and watched most UT games.  They drew up QB runs, mixed in some RPOs, and if Hooker had space he was going to take it.  Again I'm not that high on him as a NFL prospect, but he definitely in a different level athletically than Teddy was in college.

[MHS831]

People, the "plan" is not to do one thing--it is to examine your options.  If you are closing your mind to a possibility while criticizing others for not sharing you're elite football acumen, then you are kinda coming off like a spoiled child.  Just say you don't know and your skeptical--that is fine--but to act like people who think Hooker is a sure-fire bust and anyone who thinks differently is an idiot--I am not sure the effect you were hoping for is working to your advantage.

Edited February 22, 2023 by MHS831

[catnip]

How many SB rings do our couches have  ?  I think they know how to judge a QB .   They are doing due diligence   .  A lot can be learned from an interview .

[TheMaulClaw]

4 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

A QB with over 2000 rushing yards and 25 rushing TDs in college isn't what I would consider "mild scrambling."  Teddy had like 1/10th of that against lesser defenses and you want to sit here and act like they are similar in that sense?  Sometimes its ok to just say "yeah it was a bad comparison." I like in Knoxville and watched most UT games.  They drew up QB runs, mixed in some RPOs, and if Hooker had space he was going to take it.  Again I'm not that high on him as a NFL prospect, but he definitely in a different level athletically than Teddy was in college.

It's debatable.  Hooker is an okay scrambler.  But the comparison remains valid.  Hooker isn't significantly more athletic then Bridgewater.  I'm not sure he bounces back completely after that ACL tear either.

Both of them are similar in the pocket. I'd rather have Hookers backup at UT honestly.

Bridgewater didn't scramble at all in the two years following his knee rebuild.  The years after that when he was the starter both here and Miami his ypc were on par with Hookers and that's in the NFL. That's all I'm saying. It's a legit comparison. Hooker is a backup at best.