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Finding a QB

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Here are the top active QB's, you can adjust the order but these arguably the top 24 (top 75%) only in order of who came to mind. Again this is not an exact ranking, so don't focus on that part.

Bolded names are still under rookie contract. 33% of them are still on rookie contracts.

  • Patrick Mahomes average annual salary 22.22% of teams cap
  • Joe Burrow
  • Justin Herbert
  • Josh Allen, average annual salary 22.34% of teams cap
  • Aaron Rodgers, average annual salary 26 % of teams cap
  • Jalen Hurts
  • Tua Tagliova
  • Lamar Jackson (free agent)
  • Dak Prescott average annual salary 19.75% of teams cap
  • Deshaun Watson average annual salary 23.9% teams cap
  • Trevor Lawrence
  • Kirk Cousins average annual salary 17.28% of teams cap
  • Daniel Jones (free agent)
  • Kyler Murray average annual salary 23.95% of teams cap
  • Derek Carr (free agent)
  • Jared Goff  average annual salary 16.54% of teams cap
  • Rusell Wilson average annual salary 25.2% of teams cap
  • Matthew Stafford average annual salary19.75% of teams cap
  • Justin Fields
  • Geno Smith (free agent)
  • Jimmy Garropolo (free agent)
  • Ryan Tannenhill average annual salary 14.57 % of the teams cap
  • Mac Jones 
  • Davis Mills or Jacoby Brisset, your choice.

In terms of being available via unrestricted free agency I can only see Carr, Jimmy G and tiny outside chance of Geno smith being available without trading assets.

Carr will be 32 next month, Jimmy G is 31, and Geno smith is 32. I don't see any of them going to a new team for much less than Tannenhills 14.57% of the cap, which would be annual average of at least 35 Million per year. I don't know maybe Jimmy G will take less, but with so many teams in need of a QB and lack of them available he seems to have decent leverage. 

This leads us to Jacoby Brissett who is 30 years old and played for Reich before. However his career winning percentage is 18-30. He might be a  upgrade over what we saw last year but in no way has proven himself to be more than a capable backup.

Regardless if it means staying pat at 9 and taking BPA there or taking a swing in round 2 or possibly packaging picks to move back into the 1st, I just can't see how we could justify doing anything other than selecting a rookie QB who can start this year at least by the 2nd half or if injury dictates sooner. Here's to hoping this front office can pull something off and I am totally ok with them doing whatever necessary to land the right guy.

 

 

 

 

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I agree with everything you summarize except for finding a rookie who can start this year. It's hard for me to believe any of them should or could start this season. 

Considering the new head coaches that are going to be facing the same dilemma we are facing. And most owners want results now its difficult for coaches to put their job security in the hands of an unknown rookie. 

The offseason is going to be interesting as free agency will say a lot about the draft. Fan frenzy over the top players and what their team should do is usually far from the reality of what actually happens. 

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2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I agree with everything you summarize except for finding a rookie who can start this year. It's hard for me to believe any of them should or could start this season. 

Considering the new head coaches that are going to be facing the same dilemma we are facing. And most owners want results now its difficult for coaches to put their job security in the hands of an unknown rookie. 

The offseason is going to be interesting as free agency will say a lot about the draft. Fan frenzy over the top players and what their team should do is usually far from the reality of what actually happens. 

We’re just in a tough spot there. We have already wasted a 2nd(38th overall in 22), 4th and 6th on Darnold not to mention the cap space. Plus last years 4th and this years third for Corral (76th overall this year)

 

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1 minute ago, panther4life said:

We’re just in a tough spot there. We have already wasted a 2nd(38th overall in 22), 4th and 6th on Darnold not to mention the cap space. Plus last years 4th and this years third for Corral (76th overall this year)

 

That's another reason they may be hesitant to throw a bunch of 1sts to move up for these qb's.  Honestly, I don't think that they will have to anyway.

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I know a lot of you want to trade up to get our QB. I have been on that train as well but I'm really not wanting to lose a bunch of picks with other needs on the team. 

Would any of you be okay with trading #9 and a second or 3rd next year to Houston for picks #12 and #33? Would Houston do this? I'm certain one of the QBs will be available at 12. Then we have picks #33 and #39 to get an edge rusher and TE or take a pass rusher at 12 and see what QB is there at 33. Because one of them will be. Just something I have been thinking about

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4 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

I know a lot of you want to trade up to get our QB. I have been on that train as well but I'm really not wanting to lose a bunch of picks with other needs on the team. 

Would any of you be okay with trading #9 and a second or 3rd next year to Houston for picks #12 and #33? Would Houston do this? I'm certain one of the QBs will be available at 12. Then we have picks #33 and #39 to get an edge rusher and TE or take a pass rusher at 12 and see what QB is there at 33. Because one of them will be. Just something I have been thinking about

No moving back. This is the year to trade up. 

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7 hours ago, panther4life said:

Here are the top active QB's, you can adjust the order but these arguably the top 24 (top 75%) only in order of who came to mind. Again this is not an exact ranking, so don't focus on that part.

Bolded names are still under rookie contract. 33% of them are still on rookie contracts.

  • Patrick Mahomes average annual salary 22.22% of teams cap
  • Joe Burrow
  • Justin Herbert
  • Josh Allen, average annual salary 22.34% of teams cap
  • Aaron Rodgers, average annual salary 26 % of teams cap
  • Jalen Hurts
  • Tua Tagliova
  • Lamar Jackson (free agent)
  • Dak Prescott average annual salary 19.75% of teams cap
  • Deshaun Watson average annual salary 23.9% teams cap
  • Trevor Lawrence
  • Kirk Cousins average annual salary 17.28% of teams cap
  • Daniel Jones (free agent)
  • Kyler Murray average annual salary 23.95% of teams cap
  • Derek Carr (free agent)
  • Jared Goff  average annual salary 16.54% of teams cap
  • Rusell Wilson average annual salary 25.2% of teams cap
  • Matthew Stafford average annual salary19.75% of teams cap
  • Justin Fields
  • Geno Smith (free agent)
  • Jimmy Garropolo (free agent)
  • Ryan Tannenhill average annual salary 14.57 % of the teams cap
  • Mac Jones 
  • Davis Mills or Jacoby Brisset, your choice.

In terms of being available via unrestricted free agency I can only see Carr, Jimmy G and tiny outside chance of Geno smith being available without trading assets.

Carr will be 32 next month, Jimmy G is 31, and Geno smith is 32. I don't see any of them going to a new team for much less than Tannenhills 14.57% of the cap, which would be annual average of at least 35 Million per year. I don't know maybe Jimmy G will take less, but with so many teams in need of a QB and lack of them available he seems to have decent leverage. 

This leads us to Jacoby Brissett who is 30 years old and played for Reich before. However his career winning percentage is 18-30. He might be a  upgrade over what we saw last year but in no way has proven himself to be more than a capable backup.

Regardless if it means staying pat at 9 and taking BPA there or taking a swing in round 2 or possibly packaging picks to move back into the 1st, I just can't see how we could justify doing anything other than selecting a rookie QB who can start this year at least by the 2nd half or if injury dictates sooner. Here's to hoping this front office can pull something off and I am totally ok with them doing whatever necessary to land the right guy.

 

 

 

 

 

So in other words, there is no one out there worth going after.

And your solution is to do what the Jets did and toss whatever rookie we get straight into the fire?

 

We might as well re-sign Sam (or sign Brissett) if that's the case.     Let them get run over while the Rook sits, watches, and learns on what to do or  not-to-do as a QB or something. 

 

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11 hours ago, glenwo2 said:

 

So in other words, there is no one out there worth going after.

And your solution is to do what the Jets did and toss whatever rookie we get straight into the fire?

 

We might as well re-sign Sam (or sign Brissett) if that's the case.     Let them get run over while the Rook sits, watches, and learns on what to do or  not-to-do as a QB or something. 

 

We are within striking distance of having the ability to trade up for a rookie QB who can help this team be competitive. I believe in Young or Stroud with the current roster we have more than any available vet. 
 

I wouldn’t have suggested this with last years class.  However at some point you have to get a QB and this seems like the most logical year to after one. 
 

1st round picks are never a guarantee at any position but I’m willing to take that risk for the most important position on the field.

How much longer do you want to wait to try and secure a franchise QB and even if we wait how do you plan on getting one?

 

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1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

The Panthers have moved in a championship direction with the coaching staff. Let's not mess that up by drafting a first round QB in year 1 without having a foundation of success for that QB to stand on. Build the team and let the coaches get their footing before a 1st round QB stirs up expectations.

I believe the opposite. I think we have a great foundation for a rookie QB to come in to in terms off great coaching staff, o-line, a #1 WR etc. 

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18 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I agree with everything you summarize except for finding a rookie who can start this year. It's hard for me to believe any of them should or could start this season. 

Considering the new head coaches that are going to be facing the same dilemma we are facing. And most owners want results now its difficult for coaches to put their job security in the hands of an unknown rookie. 

The offseason is going to be interesting as free agency will say a lot about the draft. Fan frenzy over the top players and what their team should do is usually far from the reality of what actually happens. 

You beat me to it.

I'd add that you shouldn't be drafting a QB just because he's a QB; you should be drafting a QB because you believe in him (or if on day 2 or 3, because you believe that you can help him to develop into a starter at some point). I'm not saying that it's the case this year, but sometimes there just isn't a guy in the draft that's going to fix your problem.

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