Interesting twist regarding Lamar Jackson...

[CPcavedweller]

18 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

He does not want the Watson contract fully guaranteed!

He just wants more fully guaranteed money than the Ravens offered him. The Ravens ended negotiations after they gave him a final offer of 133mil guaranteed.

 

People are ignoring this key detail and just saying Lamar wants the Watson contract fully guaranteed and that's just not true. This is a NFL franchise trying to take advantage of a player being represented by his mom. The thing we should be discussing is why are the Ravens low balling that kind of player?

 

133 mil was their final offer for Lamar. That's just disrespectful.

$133 million guaranteed for a guy who is touching and possibly running the ball on any and every play is plenty enough. He may think it's disrespectful based on what he's done, but what will he do over the life of the contract is the question? 

Lamar is a guy who will need talent around him. Hell, they only beat the Panthers 13-3 with a guy who wants $180 to $200 million full guaranteed. If you're paying a QB what Lamar wants, you better be winning those games and performing well, which he didn't.

Again, as he ages, running is going tobdrop off and injuries are going to increase. If he had the arm of Mike Vick maybe you bite the bullet but I'd put PJ Walker up against Lamar in a passing competition.

[Khyber53]

Let's just let other teams fight over and overpay for Lamar. Good guy, good player, too rich, too risky for our blood at this time.

[top dawg]

12 hours ago, ECHornet said:

3 years ago, Patrick Mahomes signed for $45mil per year with $63mil guaranteed at signing. 
 

I’d be happy to throw a $35-40mil per year, long-term deal at Lamar IF after 3 years much of it is baked into roster bonuses like the Mahomes contract. Everyone is bringing up the Watson, Murray, and Wilson deals. I think it’s logical to ask why he deserves more guaranteed money than the best QB in the league. 

Well, not that you'll like the answer, it's simply the nature of things. All the best QBs get their turn being the highest or close to the highest paid because of the difference in time---the difference in salary cap---circumstance. If they're really good they'll get to bite off that apple two or three times. TV contracts and the salary cap is only going up.

Wouldn't Montana or Bradshaw love to come up in this golden egg era?

Edited February 25, 2023 by top dawg

[Brooklyn 3.0]

CamWhoaaCam, did you think CMC was worth big money?

[ForJimmy]

29 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

First time seeing a running QB?

 

So according to you Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen shouldn't get paid either.

 

He doesn’t know what he is talking about. “Lamar needs talent around him” yeah his offense is so stacked with a TE and no other weapons. Who is the best WR Lamar’s played with? 
Keep in mind this guy thinks Icky is a bust and we should have drafted Aqeel Glass last year who is backup on the USFL now…

[ECHornet]

48 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Well, not that you'll like the answer, it's simply the nature of things. All the best QBs get their turn being the highest or close to the highest paid because of the difference in time---the difference in salary cap---circumstance. If they're really good they'll get to bite off that apple two or three times. TV contracts and the salary cap is only going up.

Wouldn't Montana or Bradshaw love to come up in this golden egg era?

Yea, it’s crazy to look back at what used to be. I understand those differences. 
 

I also think Lamar’s last couple of years should be heavily considered in the negotiations, and not just his former MVP tag. Apparently, the Ravens agree. 

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

The players teams fight over are usually the game changing players.

 

What we gonna do wait on Carr who nobody seems to be really pursuing right now?

I dunno, a lot of folks fought over Watson this past year. Wilson probably got some attention. 

Sometimes you work hard to bring in a crowd of suckers to sell a lame horse and someone walks out thinking they bought a thoroughbred just to find out they got hosed.

This may well be one of those times, or it might not. The cost of it being one of those times far, far outweighs the rewards right now. 

If he were truly life-changing and perfectly healthy, the team that has built its entire offense around him and made its entire coaching plan based on getting the most out of him would pony up whatever it took to make him happy and keep the ball rolling along.

They haven't succeeded in doing that yet. That should give us pause right there. Lamar is a great player, but his style of play requires a team built to suit his skill set, just like Cam Newton did in his day, too. Those teams are harder to build than one for a more traditional pocket passer. 

And they are very hard to build from scratch if one sixth or more of your salary cap is tied up in one guy's contract.

[PantherGuy]

Talent is obviously tantalizing but hell no to a fully guaranteed contract. Deshaun's contract is going to ruin the Browns if it didn't already.

[RaginCajun17]

On 2/17/2023 at 10:17 AM, La Pantera said:

No. Still have to give a fully guaranteed contract,for a player who can't seem to stay healthy

Once durability starts going the wrong direction it never reverses.  Injury prone athletes don’t get durable all of sudden.

On that note, glad McCaffrey was able to play this postseason but I figured him playing the entire stretch was a 50/50 proposition.

[ForJimmy]

35 minutes ago, RaginCajun17 said:

Once durability starts going the wrong direction it never reverses.  Injury prone athletes don’t get durable all of sudden.

On that note, glad McCaffrey was able to play this postseason but I figured him playing the entire stretch was a 50/50 proposition.

Thomas Davis kind of did…

[Khyber53]

11 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Cam got us to a SB playing that style and Lamar is a much different runner than Cam.

 

 

Okay, I get it, this is your special thing and you're going to argue for it under any and all circumstances. Good on ya, mate. Go for it.

Nothing, nothing, nothing in the tea leaves, the numbers, the horoscope or in good sense says he'll be coming here, though. 

[Mr. Scot]

From the article...

The sudden notion that Lamar Jackson doesn’t want a fully-guaranteed contract directly disputes the content of an important interview that NFL Players Association DeMaurice Smith recently had with The Pivot podcast. The entire premise of the conversation regarding guaranteed contracts was that the NFLPA is helping Lamar Jackson get a fully-guaranteed contract that will “bookend” (as Smith said it) the Watson deal, and in turn lay the foundation for other quarterbacks to secure fully-guaranteed deals, too.

There are three possible explanations for the recent report. One, the information provided to Smith is incorrect. Two, Jackson wants a fully-guaranteed contract, but is claiming otherwise for P.R. reasons. Three, Jackson has changed his mind about wanting a fully-guaranteed contract.

If the last point is the truth, then maybe he and the Ravens will work out a long-term deal before March 7, the deadline for applying the franchise tag. If not, and if the Ravens choose to use the non-exclusive tag, maybe another team will sign him to an offer sheet that isn’t fully guaranteed — and maybe the Ravens will match it.

Regardless, it’s important to note that this claim Jackson never wanted a fully-guaranteed contract cuts against everything that everyone was led to believe for months, up to and including the things that the head of the union publicly said, just last month.

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Pretty sure it's option two.

Stephen A is serving as a willing mouthpiece for Jackson's people to basically try and negotiate through the press.

[SmokinwithWilly]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

From the article...

The sudden notion that Lamar Jackson doesn’t want a fully-guaranteed contract directly disputes the content of an important interview that NFL Players Association DeMaurice Smith recently had with The Pivot podcast. The entire premise of the conversation regarding guaranteed contracts was that the NFLPA is helping Lamar Jackson get a fully-guaranteed contract that will “bookend” (as Smith said it) the Watson deal, and in turn lay the foundation for other quarterbacks to secure fully-guaranteed deals, too.

There are three possible explanations for the recent report. One, the information provided to Smith is incorrect. Two, Jackson wants a fully-guaranteed contract, but is claiming otherwise for P.R. reasons. Three, Jackson has changed his mind about wanting a fully-guaranteed contract.

If the last point is the truth, then maybe he and the Ravens will work out a long-term deal before March 7, the deadline for applying the franchise tag. If not, and if the Ravens choose to use the non-exclusive tag, maybe another team will sign him to an offer sheet that isn’t fully guaranteed — and maybe the Ravens will match it.

Regardless, it’s important to note that this claim Jackson never wanted a fully-guaranteed contract cuts against everything that everyone was led to believe for months, up to and including the things that the head of the union publicly said, just last month.

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Pretty sure it's option two.

Stephen A is serving as a willing mouthpiece for Jackson's people to basically try and negotiate through the press.

This is what happens when you let your mom negotiate a quarter billion dollar contract. He should have looked at what happened with Josh Norman to see how letting unexperienced family negotiating works out for you. 

[Basbear]

Im doing what I hate......

I hate agents.

Jackson needs to hire an agent, BIG TIME. 

You can get by without one of those scum suckers in the draft, just have an NFL lawyer review the contract. Plus not for nothing if youre some 5 million type of player as well....BUT HUGE 100 milllion+ type of deals, you need a brass balled shark on your side. 

I know lamar reads the huddle, so lamar "Get you a shark agent to even the playing field".....