Go for Carr hard and save #9 pick?

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you're not sure one of the quarterbacks you want is dropping that far, it's definitely possible.

But again, Reich made clear that he and the coaches haven't had that discussion yet. The front office reportedly likes him, but It's gotta be a united approach or you're basically the Colts.

GM Fitt already said if there is one you like you trade up and get him.  Call it "GM speak" if you want, but he is usually pretty straightforward in his interviews.  It also makes sense.  We have an OL and a defense with several talented young players.  You can't be afraid to go up and get your guy in the draft.  

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/panthers-ideal-qb-situation-makes-them-trade-target-bears#:~:text=General manager Scott Fitterer clarified,up and go get him.

He does say you don't want to back yourself in a corner and go strictly draft, but it's the most cost effective way to do it.  Signing Carr and having to move our cap all around to fit his salary doesn't seem cost effective at all.

[top dawg]

24 minutes ago, frankw said:

It's fun for the back and forth to argue but this shtick where someone tries to drag another for not knowing anything is pointless. 99% of people posting here don't actually know anything. In the history of the huddle there might have been a handful of contributors here with legit sources to the team. It's just sports talk. But let him strut around the room like a rooster with his 100k posts. It's amusing.

Yeah, I feel ya. I act like an ass sometimes, but mostly when provoked. 

We're just a bunch of fans giving our opinion. Sure, sometimes all I go on us feeling, but most of the time I invoke human nature, stats where necessary, facts, and perspectives from simply listening to ESPN radio a good part of the day. I'm also as old as Scot, and I've watched football since I was 4. I really started paying attention religiously since I was 9. I don't know it all, but I know what I know. Most of the time, there is a rational counterpoint pertaining to opinions on players. Sometimes people come out the sides of their neck with some bullshit, but football message boards are here for reasonable debate. Obviously Carr is going to bring a dichotomy of opinions, but I think that most people will admit that they'd rather have A-Rod or Lamar Jackson if they could work that out, especially a team with their ducks oresumablt in a row like the Jets. Plus, Woody Johnson loves making a splash according to Greeny.

[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Thinking that teams are going to keep a guy around for two days and give him the full court press when they're actually not that interested in him is, as the saying goes, "a bold strategy Cotton"

I didn't say they weren't interested in him, Sherlock. They're more interested to see if Rodgers or Jackson will actually be options. Duh!

[mrcompletely11]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you're not sure one of the quarterbacks you want is dropping that far, it's definitely possible.

But again, Reich made clear that he and the coaches haven't had that discussion yet. The front office reportedly likes him, but It's gotta be a united approach or you're basically the Colts.

Thats coach speak 100%.  There is no way any of those dudes get hired without giving their thoughts on the qbs in the draft and the overall qb situation.  Also I dont think Reich needs to sit down with the coaches to discuss what carr may or may not be. 

[frankw]

15 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yeah, I feel ya. I act like an ass sometimes, but mostly when provoked. 

We're just a bunch of fans giving our opinion. Sure, sometimes all I go on us feeling, but most of the time I invoke human nature, stats where necessary, facts, and perspectives from simply listening to ESPN radio a good part of the day. I'm also as old as Scot, and I've watched football since I was 4. I really started paying attention religiously since I was 9. I don't know it all, but I know what I know. Most of the time, there is a rational counterpoint pertaining to opinions on players. Sometimes people come out the sides of their neck with some bullshit, but football message boards are here for reasonable debate. Obviously Carr is going to bring a dichotomy of opinions, but I think that most people will admit that they'd rather have A-Rod or Lamar Jackson if they could work that out, especially a team with their ducks oresumablt in a row like the Jets. Plus, Woody Johnson loves making a splash according to Greeny.

Well put. I'm with ya. We all want the same thing ultimately. Well the non full time trolls that is. I would like to have Lamar here but if it costs a haul I'd rather draft one. Rodgers I'd accept but he's so wishy washy I'd still look to the draft over the risk of living with his annual will he or won't he retire drama. With Carr he's more of an unknown between the three. There are people rightly saying the Raiders are a mess. McDaniels is a well documented horrendous head coach. But at the same time I don't buy that it's all one sided. Carr has some of his own baggage if you believe the whispers about him personally and he's been up and down through his career. The talent is there the ceiling is high. But he's 32. He still had some nice weapons there. He was even reunited with Adams one of the best receivers in the league. Someone mentioned a comparison to Jay Cutler and that’s where I'm at. If we signed him I'd support and hope for the best but my gut says it would end the same as our last two attempts at this but that's just me. I think the draft is our only path.

[Mr. Scot]

40 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I didn't say they weren't interested in him, Sherlock. They're more interested to see if Rodgers or Jackson will actually be options. Duh!

Translation: "Nobody knows anything..."

"...except me. I know this!"

Sure 

Edited February 21, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[Wes21]

On 2/19/2023 at 1:13 AM, CamWhoaaCam said:

So you trying to convince me that Carr is legit when the team he played for just let him leave?

 

Cmon bruh these are professionals who know the game of football and they clearly didn't think Carr was elite. 

 

You just don't let a elite QB walk out the door.

"Elite" is subjective and serves no purpose to this conversation.  I said Carr is legit, because he is.  He is not Sam Darnold.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats coach speak 100%.  There is no way any of those dudes get hired without giving their thoughts on the qbs in the draft and the overall qb situation.  Also I dont think Reich needs to sit down with the coaches to discuss what carr may or may not be. 

Oh, I don't doubt one bit that that's exactly what he'll do. He's made that quite clear.

Reich has made clear that he's not a "my way, deal with it" type of guy. And interview questions with one person at a time arent substantive discussion.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Translation: "Nobody knows anything..."

"...except me. I know this!"

Sure 

Yeah, everyone knows you're the resident know-it-all to the point where you think every opinion but yours is "silly."

How's that for a translation? 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yeah, everyone knows you're the resident know-it-all to the point where you think every opinion but yours is "silly."

How's that for a translation? 

Ironic

[top dawg]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Ironic

I concur!

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I concur!

Let me put it another way...

Which one of us is claiming to know what the team and certain players are thinking despite the fact that it goes totally against what's actually being reported?

Cuz see, someone like that is who I would consider a know-it-all

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Let me put it another way...

Which one of us is claiming to know what the team and certain players are thinking despite the fact that it goes totally against what's actually being reported?

Cuz see, someone like that is who I would consider a know-it-all

IDGAF what Carr is thinking, or you for that matter. I listen to people who know more than you, some of them being former execs---including GMs---all day long. 

This isn't rocket science. Most people think the Jets won't move until they at least know what's going to go on with Rodgers. Moreover, as I've already stated, there are people who know the Jets way more than you do who think that they'll make a play for Jackson as well. They can't do these things if they sign Carr to a contract to early. If you can't understand such simple strategy, I don't know what to tell you. A child can understand that line of thinking.

[top dawg]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Let me put it another way...

Which one of us is claiming to know what the team and certain players are thinking despite the fact that it goes totally against what's actually being reported?

Cuz see, someone like that is who I would consider a know-it-all

And furthermore, don't be a hypocrite. You had a problem with Hondo and Rappaport reporting that the Mark-Davis-is-broke narrative was bullshit. You pick and choose what you want to believe even if the story doesn't make sense at all.