Go for Carr hard and save #9 pick?

[WOW!!]

Just now, Lurk21 said:

You have to take a risk at some point! Each year they say the next group of qbs are going to be better but by the time the media pundits and draft gurus nitpick, you are left with only 2 guys with hype usually. It never failed it seems. If Frank and crew see they guy THEY want and agree on it... go get him...

This^^^
At some point waiting for the perfect situation isn’t living in reality..

Waiting for your team to be a bad team in a great QB draft year( just  so you can keep assets )is ridiculous and a waste of time..

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Sgt Schultz said:

And, at the same time you are suggesting SI, the LA Times, and several others don't know what they are talking about.  So, pick your poison.

Mark Davis is one of the least wealthy owners in the NFL, he is paying Gruden to sit on the sidelines, and would then be paying McDiptstick to join him.  Nobody knows for sure what these two contracts equate to, but Gruden was reported to be around $10M a year and McDiptstick was making $4M a year as the OC for the Pats and reported to be making "substantially more" to go to the Raiders. 

So, the guy who is somewhere between the 29th and 32nd richest owner (including the Packers who are technically owned by no one in particular), could be paying out $18-$20M a year for guys no longer coaching plus, say, another $5M to whoever would be. 

But, the problem is not simply overall wealth (which for Davis may look big to us, even though he is relatively low on the NFL totem pole), but cash flow.  How much of his non-liquid wealth is he willing to convert to liquid wealth in order to get rid of yet another coach he should not have hired in the first place?

It saved Davis money to let Carr go, while at the same time it would cost a bundle to let the HC go.  Even if he winds up paying the same money he would have paid Carr to others on the roster, it is still neutral.

Given McDipstick's history and antics as a HC, anybody suggesting having him in that position creates stability is fooling themselves. 

But, believe what and who you will.

I would give odds the mob owns the Raiders by now.

Mark Davis is a desperate man. Desperate men do desperate things.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Bears control this thing. That's obvious with them sitting at #1 but if they're smart they put that pick on the auction block and take the highest bid. They have a promising your guy at QB and have a ton of holes. They're in the ideal position to come away with a ton of assets vs. one player.

Yeah, Chicago could really parlay the #1 into a boatload of draft picks.  Possibly doing a deal with Indianapolis and turning around and doing another with Las Vegas, Atlanta or Carolina.  But they're the Bears so they'll probably just screw themselves in the process.

[45catfan]

17 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Not playing with House money at all.. Just willing to take a shot and JMo Stroud and Young are worth taking the shot for.. 

Also we said the same thing last year about this years QB class so we can keep saying the same thing every year that next year class is worth taking the shot but at some point you have to take the shot.. 

Also I don’t understand how anybody here thinks with better coaching and this roster.. We will be anywhere close to getting Maye or Williams anyway… We will probably be a better team and have to give up more next year to get them.. ??? So why is that even a thought??

Generalization about "every year" is overreaction.  We rightly didn't draft a QB last year in the first round because it was garbage and the previous two years Rhule wanted a veteran.  Before then we had Cam since 2011 and didn't need a first round QB. Secondly, this is still not a playoff roster--yet.  Next year we will be about a .500 team which will put us drafting in the teens.  Also, it will be a deeper QB draft next year where moving all the way up for a solid QB won't be needed.  Even so, if Williams or Maye is your target, what's another first rounder in 2026, right?  Draft picks are a non-issue when getting your guy...seemingly.

Edited February 19, 2023 by 45catfan

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

 But they're the Bears so they'll probably just screw themselves in the process.

It's true. Watch them turn down crazy offers to take a guy they probably could've had several picks later.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

20/20 hindsight:  During the 2020 draft, Panthers should have prioritized going after a franchise QB.  That having been said, Rhule's coaching staff would have likely ruined the career of whatever QB they managed to draft.

[45catfan]

10 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

20/20 hindsight:  During the 2020 draft, Panthers should have prioritized going after a franchise QB.  That having been said, Rhule's coaching staff would have likely ruined the career of whatever QB they managed to draft.

That would have been the draft to do it, 2020.  The Jags weren't giving up Trevor at #1 in 2021, so that wouldn't have occurred.   Wilson is a bust, Lance is an unknown and Fields is iffy.  Plus, Rhule decided to pass on Fields...didn't even have to move up.  Last year was one of those QB classes you stay away from.  Granted we took a flyer pick with Corral in the 3rd, but no harm done if he flops.  I'm just glad be didn't get desperate for Kenny Pickett.

[bythenbrs]

31 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

20/20 hindsight:  During the 2020 draft, Panthers should have prioritized going after a franchise QB.  That having been said, Rhule's coaching staff would have likely ruined the career of whatever QB they managed to draft.

True.  The reciprocal may also be true where with Reich’s staff, drafting Richardson, Hooker, McKee or Tune without trading up may produce very acceptable long term results without losing all the trade up draft picks.

We fans are understandable anxious to see immediate results after the buildup of expectations for Reich and his staff.  Maybe, just maybe, Reich, Tepper, Fitt are playing long ball, and willing to draft BPA at nine and then develop a later round QB prospect.  Not a popular opinion on this board and likely to cause many heads to explode, if true.  YMMV.

[WOW!!]

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Generalization about "every year" is overreaction.  We rightly didn't draft a QB last year in the first round because it was garbage and the previous two years Rhule wanted a veteran.  Before then we had Cam since 2011 and didn't need a first round QB. Secondly, this is still not a playoff roster--yet.  Next year we will be about a .500 team which will put us drafting in the teens.  Also, it will be a deeper QB draft next year where moving all the way up for a solid QB won't be needed.  Even so, if Williams or Maye is your target, what's another first rounder in 2026, right?  Draft picks are a non-issue when getting your guy...seemingly.

Same thing said every year..  “ Next year is the year for QB’s” .. Okay got you..smh
Not a playoff roster but with competent (half the season coaching) 1 game out of a playoff spot.. A full year of that and we will be worst?? Yeah okay!! Why are some of you so worried in missing some picks in this draft ??? When reality is this draft isn’t as strong as others any way…

[WOW!!]

3 hours ago, bythenbrs said:

True.  The reciprocal may also be true where with Reich’s staff, drafting Richardson, Hooker, McKee or Tune without trading up may produce very acceptable long term results without losing all the trade up draft picks.

We fans are understandable anxious to see immediate results after the buildup of expectations for Reich and his staff.  Maybe, just maybe, Reich, Tepper, Fitt are playing long ball, and willing to draft BPA at nine and then develop a later round QB prospect.  Not a popular opinion on this board and likely to cause many heads to explode, if true.  YMMV.

fug it just keep Corral and keep all these precious picks so we can get more YGM, Trembles and TMJ’s .. Let’s not miss out on them.. Let’s hope Reich can make garbage into a diamond all the time.. lmao

[45catfan]

8 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Same thing said every year..  “ Next year is the year for QB’s” .. Okay got you..smh
Not a playoff roster but with competent (half the season coaching) 1 game out of a playoff spot.. A full year of that and we will be worst?? Yeah okay!! Why are some of you so worried in missing some picks in this draft ??? When reality is this draft isn’t as strong as others any way…

You obviously don't understand how the draft works.  I also debunked the "every year" thing.  Two years doesn't make it "every year".  The Saints will give us a run for the division.  If we make the playoffs, it will be short lived, only because we won a weak division. 

I think we are building something here, but my hope is the staff is a little more patient than some of the fans.

[WOW!!]

18 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

You obviously don't understand how the draft works.  I also debunked the "every year" thing.  Two years doesn't make it "every year".  The Saints will give us a run for the division.  If we make the playoffs, it will be short lived, only because we won a weak division. 

I think we are building something here, but my hope is the staff is a little more patient than some of the fans.

Okay..

1. Saints may gives us a run but for how long?? Older team worst coaching situation not a lot of cap flexibility… So 1 maybe 2 years if we get our Young QB on a rookie deal  right?? More worried about Atlanta then New Orleans to be honest….

2. I know exactly how the draft works and if you have been studying this years like you think you have this isn’t a great year to have a lot of pick’s because top the bottom this isn’t a great draft for other positions.. Wr isn’t as good as last years Oline isn’t as good as last years their isn’t the depth at Dline, LB and Secondary that last year had.. To be honest there is only 3 blue chip players in this draft and 1 is a RB.. Other then QBs this draft isn’t as good as last years.. TE is good and RB is strong in this draft .. So we could trade the picks we acquired by trading CMC (to be in position to make this move by the way)and still get players…So yes I understand how a draft works…

3. Be patient is still part of the plan.. But you still have to follow the plan… They set themselves up to be in position to get their QB this year and have the necessary resources like (coaching Oline and weapons) to help develop him.. But you still have to get the the QB and be patient while he develops..

But reality remains this is going to be a better team just on coaching alone.. To think that you’re going to be in position to get a QB “next year” is not knowing this team at all thinking.. sorry jmo

Edited February 20, 2023 by WOW!!

[bythenbrs]

35 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

fug it just keep Corral and keep all these precious picks so we can get more YGM, Trembles and TMJ’s .. Let’s not miss out on them.. Let’s hope Reich can make garbage into a diamond all the time.. lmao

Your opinion is noted.

[WOW!!]

3 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

Your opinion is noted.

Good, can’t wait to trade up for our new rookie QB..