Quarterbacks win championships

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

so just to be clear it’s actually a good idea to draft a QB high when “next year” comes but it’s systematically a bad idea now

If all things were static and the same from year-to-year, I would agree.  However, that's not the case.  Again, after weak/thin QB classes in consecutive years, the QB pool is deep and talented for 2024.  Maybe we won't even have to move up far, if any spots at all.  Crazy, I know.

[Jon Snow]

51 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Yup, and to the dismay of many, I'm will to wait for a loaded 2024 QB class.  Where this class was supposed to be deep, albeit light at the top of the board--next year's class is both deep and top heavy.

You won't know that until next season is played out.  Just as this year's class was supposed to be deep before this past season was played.  Now look at it. 

But there's still good prospects in the draft if you have the scouts that can identify the kind of qb you should take a chance on. That's the real question. 

We are taking a qb. Odds are it will not be who the huddle majority want. Which will automatically make him a bust the first incomplete pass he throws.

[Growl]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

If all things were static and the same from year-to-year, I would agree.  However, that's not the case.  Again, after weak/thin QB classes in consecutive years, the QB pool is deep and talented for 2024.  Maybe we won't even have to move up far, if any spots at all.  Crazy, I know.

but #1 overall picks still won’t have won a super bowl in X amount of seasons, why bother then?

the team needs to move down, stockpile lots of interior linemen, and continue trying to show the nfl that it’s not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game that matters. I wanna see a team less focused on super bowl glory and more focused on trying to prove it can still be done the old way. 
 

hopefully we’ll get some rules changes that make the cap more powerful too, tired of seeing all these teams just ignore it, good financial sensibility should trump this “win at all cost” hysteria, this ain’t madden!! 

[45catfan]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Really?  You must not spend much time on the board anymore.  I mean, the Huddle will be calling for Tepper's, Fitterer and Reich's collective heads if we don't move up for a QB this draft as we sit at #9.  Entire threads have been dedicated to moving up for a QB because it's a MUST.

In theory I agree there's not much of a difference in the top 10 unless there's a generational QB at the top of the board.  This draft there is not.  That is not stopping this forum from demanding a trade up though.

 

13 minutes ago, TJKJ23xx said:

I have been trying to dissuade myself from thinking the QB of the future has to be drafted this year. Yes, next year will have more sexy options in Drake Maye and Caleb Williams but there is one QB in this draft I hate to say has really been growing on me. I feel CJ Stroud could be great if drafted in the right situation and I think the Panthers finally have the staff to make that move. If we have to trade a future first and second so be it. Everything I have seen from him the last two years being a Michigan fan and how he guided his team to almost beating UGA really shows me how poised and un fazed by pressure he is. Really delving deep into every break down only shows issues with his game that can be course correct by coaching. You cannot teach his ability to stay calm under pressure or his athletic ability he uses when needed rather than rproperly progressing through his options. I have yet to see him be the sole reason his team has lost a game in any film I have watched. I just have a feeling that he could be what finally gets us over the top and I hope trading up to 1-3 nets us him no matter the cost. 

Right on cue, I mean this one did take about two hours after my post, lol! 

[tecc86]

Not just a quarterback, a quarterback who is willing to put his career on the line to do whatever it takes to win the game.

The toughness of Patrick Mahomes cannot be understated.

Edited February 13, 2023 by tecc86

[joemac]

13 hours ago, Wolfcop said:

May get Carr AND a rookie 

If we do get Carr there is no way in hell that we draft a QB at 9.  I could see a LB, DE or even WR in that scenario. 

[Growl]

drake maye isn’t going to be the QB of the panthers, cope

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

drake maye isn’t going to be the QB of the panthers, cope

But we just hired his high school quarterback coach

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You won't know that until next season is played out.  Just as this year's class was supposed to be deep before this past season was played.  Now look at it. 

But there's still good prospects in the draft if you have the scouts that can identify the kind of qb you should take a chance on. That's the real question. 

We are taking a qb. Odds are it will not be who the huddle majority want. Which will automatically make him a bust the first incomplete pass he throws.

The portal is a big factor now, agreed, but a lot of those guys from this year are out of eligibliy after this season.  It's the underclassmen that are the wildcards.  I'm not sure that Williams has anything more to prove.  Injury would be his only reason for staying.  I could see Maye returning, but the next tier or two is deep and many can't stay in college any longer.

[MHS831]

13 hours ago, amcoolio said:

Tell that to the posters who still vouch for Darnold and want to bring him back

Actually, I have been accused of this when what I said was-- they may bring him back because there are many 2021 busts who, under a new coach and new system, prospered in 2022.  The reality of the Panther situation may very well necessitate bringing back a veteran. 

I said Darnold has all the physical tools.  His issues are cerebral. 

But there are some people who must make everything about the person making an observation or statement so they can attack the person and not the actual message. It is easy that way--happens in sandboxes every day. Considering  possibilities that any intelligent person would analyze if they were mature enough to table their bias and analyze multiple possibilities and perspectives is the basis for intelligent discourse.  If analyzing what the could do with Darnold and discussing the potential positives (based on what has happened around the league with QBs with new coaches and systems--Goff, Jones, Tua, etc for example) because we all know what he looked like in the Jets/Rhule systems--why would a smart person attack the person bringing up these very realistic points and potential outcomes? 

So yeah, I get your point--Darnold bad, not Darnold good. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

15 minutes ago, Samppson said:

That's not true, the reason teams rarely trade for franchise QBs is they become available for trade very rarely. Especially one that isn't past their prime, and is still on the younger side. Any time that has happened, there has been many suitors willing to trade multiple first rounders. If you have a true guy like that, they can cover up so many holes on your roster. Is it ideal to draft one and only spend a single first rounder? Sure, and I'm on board with that approach, but let's not act like if Burrow/Herbert/Allen became available, you would have more than half the league willing to give up any draft picks for them.

 

It just happened with Russell Wilson. That didn't turn out well so far. Could that change under Payton? Sure. But RW looked like ass. Denver gave up a ton of picks and salary cap for him and got basically nothing. 

It's not just the picks. It's the salary cap implications as well. If Lamar is looking in the range of 50m a year guaranteed or more long term, which is what it's sounding like, who are you going to let walk? Burns. Chinn. Icky when it's time. Moton. DJ. Horn. Burns contract could be in the neighborhood of 25-30m per season. How do you fill in the rest of your team paying so much in salary? You need picks to replenish talent that is inevitably going to walk for a bigger paycheck that the team can't provide. And those picks will be sitting in Baltimore. Plus you have to hope he can play the entire season, because the past 2 he has missed several games to injury. 

Half the league may be willing to give up the picks to get the others, but would they be running to the mat if it was 50-60m per year fully guaranteed? I'm not against bringing in LJ, though I really think we should build through the draft. I'd be saying the same thing if it was Herbert, Burrow or Allen, especially Allen. His playing style and that elbow injury is very concerning if a fully guaranteed contract were in play. I'm against the combination of salary cap implications and traded picks that could very well leave the team hamstrung.

The whole thing really depends on what LJ contract price would be and what Baltimore would want in trade. 

[weyco2000]

13 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

That's true but not on this forum.

 

You got people suggesting Derek Carr over a franchise MVP QB Lamar Jackson.lmao

 

Some people just don't know football.

 

Don't believe go check out the Derek Carr thread. People really want that to lead us to a SB. Like dude has 1 playoff appearance in his entire career and he's 32 wtf!

 

I love you guys but some of you are funny as sh!t!

Franchise QB’s don’t hit free agency when their rookie deal expires. Both guys are out of our pay range and neither are worth the asking price (salary/draft picks). 

[45catfan]

10 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

Franchise QB’s don’t hit free agency when their rookie deal expires. Both guys are out of our pay range and neither are worth the asking price (salary/draft picks). 

Desperation makes people do and say weird things.  The QB desperation here has hit an all-time high.  I read a post from someone earlier saying they didn't care WHAT the cost was as long as we drafted a QB this year.

Edited February 13, 2023 by 45catfan

[Wundrbread33]

Teams win championships. 
 

It certainly helps if you draft a QB who ends up being the Michael Jordan of football though.