Sam Darnold

[TLGPanthersFan]

14 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Man this fan base really does have PTSD. I can't believe anyone wants to see Darnold behind center for the Panthers ever again. SMDH.

Doesn’t matter what you say some people love supporting players who suck at their job. 

[glenwo2]

1 minute ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

What are you talking about? There are plenty of fact, like the last 4 years, that prove Darnold effing sucks. 
Darnold was not good even during his wins. He wasn’t.  
Saints game was the real Sam Darnold. The Tampa game was the real Darnold. Good lord you guys are so freaking weird. 

Playing decently(for him) while the Defense let him down by allowing Evans to burn them 3 times for a TD?

That's not exactly the "real Darnold".  Maybe you should keep that example out of your post and only stick to the Saints one that better illustrates your point. 

[travisura]

I wonder what the Venn diagram would be of people who want Sam back and the people who wanted/want Wilks back. Probably close to a pure circle lol.

[glenwo2]

1 minute ago, travisura said:

I wonder what the Venn diagram would be of people who want Sam back and the people who wanted/want Wilks back. Probably close to a pure circle lol.

My poor attempt at a Venn diagram (that's probably incorrectly done. lol ) :

[ECHornet]

29 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Your infatuation with Darnold is weird.  He fuging sucks.  And weren't you advocating to sign hin for 3 years at 8 million per?   What changed?

Here's my actual post from January 7th...

I give a range of 2-3 years with an out before the 3rd year. I posted a recommendation of 5-8mil per year but hedged with hoping he had his worst game of the year vs Saints so we could be on low end of those ranges. Then that actually happened. So now his market value is estimated around the low end (like I said) according to Spotrac and Over The Cap. 

You mad that what I hoped came to fruition?

Edited February 9, 2023 by ECHornet

[PleaseCutStewart]

15 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

What are you talking about? There are plenty of fact, like the last 4 years, that prove Darnold effing sucks. 
Darnold was not good even during his wins. He wasn’t.  
Saints game was the real Sam Darnold. The Tampa game was the real Darnold. Good lord you guys are so freaking weird. 

The Darnold that threw for 350 yards and kept us in the game when our trash corners were getting beat like a drum by Mike Evans? I'll take that Sam every day of the week.

Just weird to say the Saints game and the Tampa game are the real Darnold when both were so vastly different for him...

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

The Darnold that threw for 350 yards and kept us in the game when our trash corners were getting beat like a drum by Mike Evans? I'll take that Sam every day of the week.

Just weird to say the Saints game and the Tampa game are the real Darnold when both were so vastly different for him...

Tampa Bay was a trash team. Next week rookie Ridder had the best game of his season vs that trash D.   Who wants to keep around the worst starter in the NFL over the last half decade because of a random game here or there. 

Sam Darnold is a very bad NFL starter.   What is he going to offer Matt or anyone else we might draft this year.   He doesn't play the game well between the ears.  Which is what you would want from a backup caliber QB.  You either want potential or a has been that is at least smart.  Sam offers neither. 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Good post. Much closer to the truth that the person you responded to  

 

People refuse to think with nuance and just look at stats with no context.

Hey Mr. Nuance. Darnold has not had a game winning drive in five years and he's gotten more chances than some other QB's have. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Panthera onca]

35 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

It is because we don't have PTSD that we can evaluate Sam objectively. The folks with PTSD don't want him based on 2021 which carried over to negative evaluations this year that were not based on the facts. I don't think you understand what PTSD is or what it causes and yes I do.

New regime, time to take out the trash and move forward.

[ECHornet]

23 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

What are you talking about? There are plenty of fact, like the last 4 years, that prove Darnold effing sucks. 
Darnold was not good even during his wins. He wasn’t.  
Saints game was the real Sam Darnold. The Tampa game was the real Darnold. Good lord you guys are so freaking weird. 

You're confusing me on the real Darnold.

Saints game - agree that sucked.

Tampa game - 23/37 for 341 yards, 3TD/1INT - credited with two fumbles. One a clear miscommunication from center snapping the ball early. The other a whiff on the blindside by Ekwonu where Darnold got hit as he threw. That's not bad QB play. Without the mistakes from the oline and defense, that QB play wins you over 75% of games.

[ECHornet]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Tampa Bay was a trash team. Next week rookie Ridder had the best game of his season vs that trash D.   Who wants to keep around the worst starter in the NFL over the last half decade because of a random game here or there. 

Sam Darnold is a very bad NFL starter.   What is he going to offer Matt or anyone else we might draft this year.   He doesn't play the game well between the ears.  Which is what you would want from a backup caliber QB.  You either want potential or a has been that is at least smart.  Sam offers neither. 

Corral = 23

Darnold = 25

He still has potential. He is a top 5-10 backup QB at minimum right now. That's worth 5mil

[PleaseCutStewart]

24 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sam still sucked in 2022 though.  58% completion on the year.  Only his rookie season was worse. 

The run game was good vs bad teams.  It allowed them to minimize Sam's ability to negatively influence games. 

To me the 2022 hype is just a variation of the early 2021 Sam hype.   The bad Sam is clearly still there.   He just went a tiny stretch where he didn't totally implode games.  Which is something you have always been able to cherry pick in his career.  In New York too.  Sam Darnold simply isn't a decent NFL QB.  

 

Take away the Saints outlier and it's about 62%

And if completion percentage is how we are going to judge QBs, then yikes. You want to know who had a good completion percentage last year? Matt Ryan. The same Matt Ryan that got benched twice for Sam Ehlinger and Nick Foles...

The stats I liked a lot more. Only 3 INTs in 6 games (only 1 if you ignore the Saints stinker). Huge jump in career best in Yards/Att, Yards/Completion, TD%, INT%, and QB Rating. I could care less about your completion percentage if you are just throwing check downs on 2nd/3rd and long. Also keep in mind his passing stats don't include any games with CMC, who will make any QB look a lot better than they are.

[ECHornet]

15 minutes ago, frankw said:

Hey Mr. Nuance. Darnold has not had a game winning drive in five years and he's gotten more chances than some other QB's have. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Sam's last game winning drive was <checks notes> the last game he played.

Edited February 9, 2023 by ECHornet

[travisura]

Yeah I mean if you take out the game where he put up one of the worst performances in NFL history his stats would be better.