What exactly happened to Cam's shoulder? I remember with Jake it was Tommy "Jone" but is Cam's shoulder degenerative as well?

[frankw]

19 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Turns out you probably should invest in better OTs than Bryon Bell and Mike Remmers and not use your fuging QB as a bulldozer every single drive

And people really wanted round 2 of another Ron Rivera

[frankw]

Yeah and some folks will forever see Cam for his win/loss record beginning with the Pittsburgh game in 2018. Anything he did before negated. It is what it is though.

[Ricky Spanish]

14 minutes ago, Mage said:

Everyone talks about the hit from Watt and I'm sure that made things worse, but if you actually paid attention to Cam that season, you could tell he was on the downside.  Yes, his numbers were good and CMP% at a career high, but that was because he was no longer playing in Shula's archaic offensive system (easily the worst OC I've ever seen and boggles my mind some people defended him).  He had no air on his throws.  I mean hell the Eagles game was a great comeback but there was little to no heat behind his throws that game.

The truth of the matter is, as much as I love Cam and he'll always be among my favorites regardless of jersey or sport, he was never a great passer anyway.  So once he lost some of his arm strength, it isn't a surprise he fell off a cliff.  Not to mention his athleticism took a hit too.  Not sure why, but he was noticeably slower and less agile than before.

I don't think he was necessarily on the downside before the Watt hit, but his balls definitely had less zip than they did in previous seasons. I remember going to the Giants game that season and noticing on the final drive that his passes just looked like they were floating through the air more than they used to. Noticeably less velocity behind the throws, which was still manageable and Turner was getting the most out of Cam, but once the Watt hit happened he could barely throw it any longer. 

[stan786]

Us playing him after he initially hurt it during that Chargers game when it was the end of the season with nothing left to play for drove me up a wall, then we waited to perform the surgery.

No surprise Vermillion is in prison, should have been arrested for what he cleared Cam to do.

[ForJimmy]

[Aussie Tank]

The silly bastard stopped eating meat 

[kass]

11 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I don't think he was necessarily on the downside before the Watt hit, but his balls definitely had less zip than they did in previous seasons. I remember going to the Giants game that season and noticing on the final drive that his passes just looked like they were floating through the air more than they used to. Noticeably less velocity behind the throws, which was still manageable and Turner was getting the most out of Cam, but once the Watt hit happened he could barely throw it any longer. 

Seems like you actually noticed he was on the downside before the Steelers game...

[thunderraiden]

34 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

Wth is Tommy "Jone"? There is a Tommy John surgery, which is elbow. See Brock Purdy. Am I missing something here?

[Bear Hands]

38 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

Wth is Tommy "Jone"? There is a Tommy John surgery, which is elbow. See Brock Purdy. Am I missing something here?

[Panthera onca]

Torn labrum, rotator cuff injury, multiple surgeries= degenerative joint disease.

[kass]

Have tried to correct people on this for years.

The Watt hit was not the cause for the downhill of Cams career... 

He was listed as limited or DNP weeks before the Steelers game and his shoulder was already busted. 

After the Eagles game he didn't throw at practice before the Ravens game. This was 2-3 weeks before the Watt hit. (Edit: And he continued to be limited/DNP for the rest of the season)

His numbers did not even drop after the hit.. 

But the hit sure was visual.. so that's why people remember it, even thou it is the wrong conclusion.

 

 

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[Donald LaFell]

44 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

Wth is Tommy "Jone"? There is a Tommy John surgery, which is elbow. See Brock Purdy. Am I missing something here?

It’s a reference from forever ago like 2009-2010 after Jake fell off a cliff. IIRC the topic was barely coherent lol. 

[Jon Snow]

How can you not know what happened and when it happened if you are a Panthers fan, especially if you are a Cam fan? I hear this a lot from so called Cam Newton fans. If you watched him play it would be ingrained in your mind. I will never be able to got either injury out of my mind.

[exactlyzack]

Let me tell you. I’ve had 2 shoulder surgeries and an elbow surgery on the same arm. Those 2 shoulder surgeries, as much as they helped, i still don’t have the same use as my shoulder used too. I’m going to have to have another shoulder surgery probably at some point as well. I had both an ac joint separation and a torn labrum, and honestly now my shoulder is probably 75 percent what it used to be.