Carr exploring options

[Toomers]

34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

This was the obvious outcome from the moment the Raiders sent him home. It was sad watching all the made up scenarios from “insiders.” He wasn’t going to pass on being a true FA. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

I think Carr is gonna be a Saint or Buc after he is released. 

[thefuzz]

35 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I'm fine with Carr, but not at the price I think he will command.  My answer might be different if I thought the only thing separating us from playing for an Owl was a QB, but I don't believe that.  The QB is probably what is preventing us from having a realistic shot at the playoffs, but when I look at last night's game, we don't have that level of firepower, at least that we know of.

Granted, part of that comparison is the fact that we have not had a coaching staff like either of those teams in, well, ever.  We'll see what Reich thinks of and can do with our roster.

I feel the same way about Lamar.  If he were to become available tomorrow, the cost would be crippling.

Both those guys, to varying degrees, are for teams that are close and need to get over the hump.  We are still climbing the hill.  I think we need a vet to carry the baton for a while, but it is a baton to be handed off, not a torch to be carried to the final goal. 

Others think we are closer to the promised land than I do, I'm sure.

I agree, however Franks age does make me a little hesitant on that.

We don't know what Carr wants, is he financially motivated?  I wouldn't be, but that's just me.  Does he want a shot at a Lombardi?  Does he want some stability and a normal place to raise a family?

Put me in his shoes, and Carolina would look very interesting to me.  I'd probably want a 2 year guaranteed deal, so I could hit the market one more time prior to hitting 33/34.

I actually could see us being somewhat attractive to both Carr and Rodgers, and I don't think that either would give two shits if we took a QB in the first after signing them.

[Captroop]

29 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I think Carr is gonna be a Saint or Buc after he is released. 

Bucs make sense. Which, on the one hand, ouch. I hate the idea of Carr hurling it to Mike Evans for the next 3 years. On the other hand, it mean's there's one less QB-hungry team on draft day.

[Mr. Scot]

36 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I think Carr is gonna be a Saint or Buc after he is released. 

I don't know what Carr wants, but if he's choosing between NFC South teams, those two are coached by former defensive coordinators while ours is coached by a quarterback.

[Sgt Schultz]

8 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I agree, however Franks age does make me a little hesitant on that.

We don't know what Carr wants, is he financially motivated?  I wouldn't be, but that's just me.  Does he want a shot at a Lombardi?  Does he want some stability and a normal place to raise a family?

Put me in his shoes, and Carolina would look very interesting to me.  I'd probably want a 2 year guaranteed deal, so I could hit the market one more time prior to hitting 33/34.

I actually could see us being somewhat attractive to both Carr and Rodgers, and I don't think that either would give two shits if we took a QB in the first after signing them.

Carr's motivation is certainly a huge factor.  And it is hard to predict, since he has made a decent truckload of money thus far but has played is career on a clusterf*#k of a team/organization, and feels dumped on by that same organization.

The latter may making him more sensitive to us drafting a QB high, who knows?  I do think there will be a minor bidding war for him since there are a ton of QB starved teams.  But, looking at the staff we are assembling and where we are in the building process, we do certainly pass the sniff test for somebody in his position.

[trueblade]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't know what Carr wants, but if he's choosing between NFC South teams, those two are coached by former defensive coordinators while ours is coached by a quarterback.

He's got a prior relationship with one of those former defensive coordinators (Dennis Allen).

[thefuzz]

29 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Carr's motivation is certainly a huge factor.  And it is hard to predict, since he has made a decent truckload of money thus far but has played is career on a clusterf*#k of a team/organization, and feels dumped on by that same organization.

The latter may making him more sensitive to us drafting a QB high, who knows?  I do think there will be a minor bidding war for him since there are a ton of QB starved teams.  But, looking at the staff we are assembling and where we are in the building process, we do certainly pass the sniff test for somebody in his position.

Yup.  Owner is iffy...for sure.  But the rest of the team looks to be more solid than anything he's ever experienced in his career to date.

I'd not be interested in NO were I him...leaving a party town only to replace it...coach seems to be a patch as well...and the cap.

We do have a solid coaching tree, good O line, a number 1 WR, and we are in the NFC.  If I'm a FA QB, I'm getting my ass into the NFC for sure.

Who knows though, I do like what we are doing, and if this staff sells the farm for Stroud, so be it....it's time to get serious around here.

[Mr. Scot]

29 minutes ago, trueblade said:

He's got a prior relationship with one of those former defensive coordinators (Dennis Allen).

Valid, but I'm not sure how much that's going to carry over.

For what it's worth, I don't really expect Carr to end up with us, but it's possible.

[Sgt Schultz]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Yup.  Owner is iffy...for sure.  But the rest of the team looks to be more solid than anything he's ever experienced in his career to date.

I'd not be interested in NO were I him...leaving a party town only to replace it...coach seems to be a patch as well...and the cap.

We do have a solid coaching tree, good O line, a number 1 WR, and we are in the NFC.  If I'm a FA QB, I'm getting my ass into the NFC for sure.

Who knows though, I do like what we are doing, and if this staff sells the farm for Stroud, so be it....it's time to get serious around here.

We appear to be in violent agreement on this whole situation. 

I'd not be interested in NO, either.  Everything there looks tentative, and subject to adjustment due to cap manipulation in the past coming to a head.  Tampa really does not look any better, and with another big bill due to pushing all the chips into the center of the table for an Owl.  In the NFCS, that leaves us and Atlanta, who may have already hit bottom and can start to emerge from past sins.  The other two are still in the confession booth.

I think we need a legitimate #1 WR (DJ in that role is still in front of the jury, probably due to offensive schemes and QB limitations).  If not, we do need someone who can complement DJ.

If they opt to go all in for Stroud, I am going to hope for the best and I don't mean that in a gloomy way.  I like Stroud, and based on what we see on our coaching staff thus far he would be far better off than his predecessor at OSU was when he wound up going to Da Bears. 

Any development Fields has done in Chicago has been an accident on the team's part.  It's just as likely he has been looking at YouTube videos to improve as he has gotten any good coaching. 

[Jon Snow]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Valid, but I'm not sure how much that's going to carry over.

For what it's worth, I don't really expect Carr to end up with us, but it's possible.

It would not shock me if he were signed here. It would severely disappoint me as it reeks of the same crap the went on under Rhule. I would loose a lot of faith that things are really going to change on this team no matter who the coach is.

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It would not shock me if he were signed here. It would severely disappoint me as it reeks of the same crap the went on under Rhule. I would loose a lot of faith that things are really going to change on this team no matter who the coach is.

I wouldn't.

The idea of using a bridge QB to give a rookie time to learn isn't a bad one. It was just done poorly by Rhule.

(like...well, everything)

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't.

The idea of using a bridge QB to give a rookie time to learn isn't a bad one. It was just done poorly by Rhule.

(like...well, everything)

It ensures that we are drafting in the top 15 every draft. A bridge qb only works if your draft pick works out. If they don't ever take over then where are you?

My preference would be to throw a rookie in the fire and see where you end up. If he fails you are in a great spot in the draft when the dust settles. If he shows promising results you continue on until he doesn't.  Rinse and repeat. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It ensures that we are drafting in the top 15 every draft. A bridge qb only works if your draft pick works out. If they don't ever take over then where are you?

My preference would be to throw a rookie in the fire and see where you end up. If he fails you are in a great spot in the draft when the dust settles. If he shows promising results you continue on until he doesn't.  Rinse and repeat. 

That works if you get a rookie you want.

It's possible we won't.