Carr exploring options

[Byrdman4real]

16 minutes ago, rayzor said:

You don't bring Carr in to be a bridge QB.

You bring him in to be your franchise guy. 

Which is why we carolina should not bring him in. 

[rayzor]

38 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

A franchise guy who has 1 suitor looking to trade for him.

 

 Dude is 32 with 1 playoff appearance on his resume. Nothing franchise about that.lol

 

So we think a 32 Carr has a ton of upside at this stage of his career?

He has one trade suitor because EVERYONE knows that the raiders are going to have to cut him tomorrow and that Carr would veto any trade that was attempted just because.

And he's got a good solid 5-7 years left at least. Teams that aren't interested in playing btge long game and want to be immediate contenders would be looking at him ahead of any available vet not named Rodgers.

If you don't think you're going to be able to get your franchise guy in this draft, you're going to want to go for Carr. 

The guy is a legit probowler and a great leader. Is he my first, second, or third choice for a QB this year? No....that would be Young, Stroud, or AR. If the choice is between him and Levis....it's a toss up, but I'm probably going with Carr.

If it's Carr or any QB outside of those top 4 QBs or any other available vet, I'm going with Carr and I'll feel good about it because we would have the best QB in the NFCS and he'd be good enough to make us solid contenders in the playoffs. 

But, again, I'd rather have Stroud, Young, or AR.

[AggieLean]

If the knock on lamar is his lack of playoff wins, then why would we want Carr? He’s had much better pieces than Lamar, and he’s going to cost you 30 to 35 mil a season. 
 

You won’t have to give up draft picks, but many on the huddle wouldn’t want Lamar even if we didn’t have to give up picks. I also don’t understand how some of those same posters feel Lamar won’t ever be anything but a “running” QB, but feel Darnold could evolve with better coaching, when he’s a worse passer than Lamar. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by AggieLean

[countryboi]

Carr is a pretty good QB. the only good reason not to sign Carr is his price, especially if you think you are a QB away. For fans of a team that has not had a decent QB in over half a decade you think yall would value good QB play more. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Raiders have been a dumpster fire for two decades, with one of their few bright spots during that time being Derek Carr. 

Having said that, I'd have mixed feelings about him coming to Carolina.  Derek isn't ready to play second fiddle or sign a short term contract.  He is likely looking for what he's never had with the Raiders organization, a stable coaching staff and a top ten defense. 

The Panthers look like they can offer Carr all that this coming season.  I just don't know if Reich or Tepper are prepared to pass up an opportunity to draft the team's next franchise QB and hand the reign's over to Carr for the next several years.  

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Raiders have been a dumpster fire for two decades, with one of their few bright spots during that time being Derek Carr. 

Having said that, I'd have mixed feelings about him coming to Carolina.  Derek isn't ready to play second fiddle or sign a short term contract.  He is likely looking for what he's never had with the Raiders organization, a stable coaching staff and a top ten defense. 

The Panthers look like they can offer Carr all that this coming season.  I just don't know if Reich or Tepper are prepared to pass up an opportunity to draft the team's next franchise QB and hand the reign's over to Carr for the next several years.  

Yeah, he's not a good bridge option. If you want to make things work with Carr you're going to have to commit to him. If you sign Carr then turn around and draft a QB in the 1st he's gonna go fuging ballistic. I think Tepper is likely feeling similarly to the fanbase right now - sick and tired of the retread vet carousel. We're actually in a situation now where that approach might be setup for success but the willingness might be gone from having been burnt by bringing in the wrong guys at the wrong time. We haven't tried a Carr level vet in a situation where we've had a good roster and a good staff but trying lower level vets with worse rosters and worse staffs has left us all weary and just looking for a different approach altogether.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, he's not a good bridge option. If you want to make things work with Carr you're going to have to commit to him. If you sign Carr then turn around and draft a QB in the 1st he's gonna go fuging ballistic. I think Tepper is likely feeling similarly to the fanbase right now - sick and tired of the retread vet carousel. We're actually in a situation now where that approach might be setup for success but the willingness might be gone from having been burnt by bringing in the wrong guys at the wrong time.

Whoever commits to Carr is likely going to be a team that has determined that they have no chance at getting one of the better QBs in this draft; Saints, Jets, Patriots, Commanders, Steelers, Bucs all seem to be a more likely landing spot for Carr than Carolina.

Edited February 13, 2023 by NanuqoftheNorth

[Wolfcop]

From an article about what Carr and Reich may have looked like in Indy in 2022 (written last year):

“Carr would help provide the Colts with the stability at quarterback that the team has been looking for since Andrew Luck retired in 2019. Carr is a strong-armed quarterback who would make explosive plays in a Frank Reich offense while also taking what the defense gives him and using his check-downs. At 30 years old, he still has plenty of years of good football in front of him”

“Under Reich, Carr would be paired up with the best offensive mind he has ever been with and someone who has the full backing of general manager Chris Ballard and owner Jim Irsay.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/colts-qb-carousel-derek-carr

[Aussie Tank]

If we signed Carr I hope we can trade down to add assets 

[Proudiddy]

2 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Raiders have been a dumpster fire for two decades, with one of their few bright spots during that time being Derek Carr. 

Having said that, I'd have mixed feelings about him coming to Carolina.  Derek isn't ready to play second fiddle or sign a short term contract.  He is likely looking for what he's never had with the Raiders organization, a stable coaching staff and a top ten defense. 

The Panthers look like they can offer Carr all that this coming season.  I just don't know if Reich or Tepper are prepared to pass up an opportunity to draft the team's next franchise QB and hand the reign's over to Carr for the next several years.  

I've brought it up before, but when Fitt was in Seattle, they had signed Matt Flynn to that big contract to come in and be the starter and ended up drafting and starting Russell Wilson.  So, I think it's fine to do both, planning for the future but living in the present.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

18 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I've brought it up before, but when Fitt was in Seattle, they had signed Matt Flynn to that big contract to come in and be the starter and ended up drafting and starting Russell Wilson.  So, I think it's fine to do both, planning for the future but living in the present.

True.  However, hardly anyone, other than maybe Wilson, had any expectations that he would be the starting QB in Seattle that year.  Carr is in a unique situation of being able to choose his team a month prior to any other free agent QB.   I suspect he isn't interested in playing second fiddle to a rookie either.  The teams that will likely be most interested in his services will be out of the running for the top QB prospects in the draft.  Having said that, there could be another rookie QB like Wilson in the third round hoping to surprise his NFL team and knock Derek off his perch.  Time will tell, but I doubt the Panthers will be involved.

Edited February 13, 2023 by NanuqoftheNorth

[Zaximus]

I mean, Carr hasn't been a top 5 QB but I think it's pretty unfair to compare the guy to Darnold or Baker etc.  He was doing pretty well with the Raiders considering what he had to work with for years.  He's older but we are in a league where QBs are playing in their late 30's.  He's also been pretty healthy as well.  Not to mention he's one of the best 4th quarter comeback QBs in the history of the league.

[Mr. Scot]

 

[Sgt Schultz]

I'm fine with Carr, but not at the price I think he will command.  My answer might be different if I thought the only thing separating us from playing for an Owl was a QB, but I don't believe that.  The QB is probably what is preventing us from having a realistic shot at the playoffs, but when I look at last night's game, we don't have that level of firepower, at least that we know of.

Granted, part of that comparison is the fact that we have not had a coaching staff like either of those teams in, well, ever.  We'll see what Reich thinks of and can do with our roster.

I feel the same way about Lamar.  If he were to become available tomorrow, the cost would be crippling.

Both those guys, to varying degrees, are for teams that are close and need to get over the hump.  We are still climbing the hill.  I think we need a vet to carry the baton for a while, but it is a baton to be handed off, not a torch to be carried to the final goal. 

Others think we are closer to the promised land than I do, I'm sure.