Ellis Williams. How to turn the Panthers around in one year

[Tbe]

2 hours ago, OldhamA said:

He's going to measure in at 5'10" and 180lbs at the Combine. 

Yep

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, thunderraiden said:

Get a safety that can put Chinn back at LB and you kill two birds with one stone. That players needed goes down from 6 to 5. But I agree with your assessment of what's needed.

Good point--I think the cap situation will cost us Thompson, and that move will be made.

[CPcavedweller]

6 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

I was called down for posting full articles so I’ll just give the link and  full write up on one of the four sections   

 

How Panthers can begin competing for championships under new coach Frank Reich

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article272022907.html

 

Find a big and mobile quarterback

Size plus escapability matter more than ever at quarterback. 

Arm talent aside, Philadelphia quarterback Jalen Hurts is as stocky a quarterback as there is. Kansas City’s Patrick Mahomes has repeatedly proven that his escapability and off-script playmaking are his most valuable traits. Cincinnati’s 6-foot-4 Joe Burrow is used to being one of the most hit and sacked quarterbacks yet still makes plays. 

San Francisco rookie quarterback Brock Purdy is listed at 6-foot-1 and weighs 210 pounds. But his stature could not hold up against the Eagles’ defensive line. Edge rusher Haason Reddick injured Purdy’s throwing elbow just six minutes into the NFC Championship. Then backup Josh Johnson (6-foot-2, 200 pounds) was knocked out of the game with a concussion just 23 plays later.

Championship weekend highlighted why size plus escapability is necessary for NFL quarterbacks. No matter how good an offensive line is, quarterbacks are going to take dangerous in-pocket hits. Smaller quarterbacks are more susceptible to injury. Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa sustained multiple concussions this season throwing from the pocket and missed five games including the Dolphins’ lone playoff contest, as an example.

Smaller quarterbacks can succeed in the NFL but are they worth the risk? That’s what every team considering Bryce Young — the No. 1 prospect in the upcoming draft — should ask itself. 

Young can make every throw and is a proven leader. But he’s listed at 6-foot and weighs under 200 pounds. Meanwhile, the three other top quarterback prospects (Will Levis, C.J. Stroud and Anthony Richardson) are all 6-foot-3 or taller and weigh between 220 and 235 pounds. 

Pass rushers keep getting quicker, faster, bigger and stronger. It’s logical that quarterbacks who are doing the same will continue winning the war of attrition that is the NFL playoffs. 
 

Build on pass-rushing depth

Pour resources into offensive weapons

Hire a veteran coaching staff

 

 

This all just went out of the window now that we have to undertake a scheme change.

 

You're looking at a trade down, or two, ro get picks and then drafting a guy like Jake Haener in the 4th. We now have to go defense early to get those transition pieces. That is unless we completely disregard the identity of this franchise and feel we can outscore everyone to a championship which, in the NFL, isn't a recipe for success. Ask the Vikings and the Lions.

[heel31ok]

7 hours ago, Riverboat Ron said:

1. Draft good players

2. Sign good players

3. Develop players to be good

Revolutionary

[panfanman]

2 hours ago, Tbe said:

I agree but I think they’ll take him because they feel like that have to.

Desperate moves net disappointing results.  I'm hoping we can get Carr so we don't have to be desperate.  I'm always looking for a good trade back opportunity to give us more draft capital.

[heel31ok]

10 hours ago, panfanman said:

Desperate moves net disappointing results.  I'm hoping we can get Carr so we don't have to be desperate.  I'm always looking for a good trade back opportunity to give us more draft capital.

I like Carr but the price tag may be a tad too high.

[frankw]

Size isn't the end all be all but over time it does make a difference in this league if you get higher up the ladder. The author could have done a better job stating his position a little more eloquently but his point remains. What happened to Purdy was not out of the norm for any quarterback regardless of size but it was bound to occur sooner or later that Cinderella story was not long for sustainability and people tried to tell ya'll that. As far as Bryce Young the guy is barely Kyler Murray's height. You do not roll the dice on that in the top 10.

[kungfoodude]

17 hours ago, Basbear said:

Yea some it is unfair luck, just odds are against the smaller players. Tua is one more shot away form needing to retire. I dont think there is another smitty out there.....those small tough players are rare. I hate to admit, but both wilson and brees were driven. Drew came back form a career ender, he made it happen with hard work. Prime Wilson was covered in olive oil and he never took the full force on most of his hits. Thats a skill and he was elite at it, sorta like bradys footwork in the pocket.......elite and prevents hits. 

The deal is the NFL has been cracking on dirty hits and any hitting on QB, so theres more hope for the smaller QBs now. Im too set in my ways, still pass on young......

My point being that I don't think that size is much of a factor when it comes to being injury prone. That is usually just the specific player's body, how much damage they take over time and how they are able to heal from that damage. 

If the only concerns about Young are basically that he is small, that means he is a far and away the best QB in this draft.

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

My point being that I don't think that size is much of a factor when it comes to being injury prone. That is usually just the specific player's body, how much damage they take over time and how they are able to heal from that damage. 

If the only concerns about Young are basically that he is small, that means he is a far and away the best QB in this draft.

Longest start streaks.  Favre.  Rivers.  Eli.  Brady just logged a relatively 20+ year career.   Those guys aren’t physical specimens.  

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

Longest start streaks.  Favre.  Rivers.  Eli.  Brady just logged a relatively 20+ year career.   Those guys aren’t physical specimens.  

Yeah, if it was all about size, Cam would still be playing now.

[frankw]

33 minutes ago, CRA said:

Longest start streaks.  Favre.  Rivers.  Eli.  Brady just logged a relatively 20+ year career.   Those guys aren’t physical specimens.  

Are any of them basically the size of a young Steve Smith playing QB?

Favre 6'2

Rivers 6'5

Eli Manning 6'5

Brady 6'4

Now let's do Bryce.

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

Are any of them basically the size of a young Steve Smith playing QB?

Favre 6'2

Rivers 6'5

Eli Manning 6'5

Brady 6'4

Now let's do Bryce.

plus all of those dudes are roughly 40lbs bigger then young

[frankw]

14 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

plus all of those dudes are roughly 40lbs bigger then young

For context and compairson take a gander at Murray's injury history and probability moving forward.

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/kyler-murray/10217

If we take him I'll accept and support. But comparing him to guys 6'4-6'5 that also have at least 20-25 lbs on him is hilarious. If he didn't play for Bama this wouldn't even be a discussion.

[Khyber53]

20 hours ago, MHS831 said:

This is a project that needs a QB, stud TE, and maybe a few holes filled on Defense. 

Get the QB and the TE, and I promise you, the offense is good enough to compete.  Add a LB, Edge, and DB or two, and the defense is top 10.

Six players will do it.  Yes, more would be better, before some chime in with statements of the obvious.  More better players is more better.  We all get that concept.

 

This ^ 100 percent.

We really are that close. A good draft, a couple of free agent pick ups and we can move ahead of the division rivals quickly. And we can compete, hopefully like the Jaguars did under Peterson.