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What would you give the bears for #1 pick

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raleigh-panther Grand Master

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6 hours ago, frankw said:

Over Stroud?

ryan reynolds hd GIF

He's shorter than even Kyler Murray.

It’s cbs   Not me  Their  view  

The point is, a trade up is doable

there are those who see a lot of intelligence and ball placement with Bryce 

I prefer stroud or AR. I’m a nobody. I wanted fields last year 

im not a Levis fan at all 
I’ll gladly trust Reich’s opinion as to what to do even if it’s Levis

frankly, I’m sure Reich already knows who wants   With Brady retiring, even more competition however.

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raleigh-panther Grand Master

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4 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

People said the same thing last year. Draft a QB develop him point blank. That's why we hired him.lol

The year before, wait for the next Qb class. In that year, not one worth it  bank in it 

year after year after year after year 

same thing with Panther GMs and salary cap

it’s time.   the 49ers won games with Brock freaking purdy for god  sake 

there are  8 rated QBs in this draft. Get one   If Stroud is the one get him 

do something 

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11 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We didn't sign Coach to worry about the defense. If we wanted defense we would have kept Wilks.

 

This is not a rebuild roster. We need to win now. Nobody wants to wait next year for a QB. People said the same thing last year. Draft a QB develop him point blank. That's why we hired him.lol

Lol...we aint winning now either way so waiting isnt a big deal , just a better deal.

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2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Aren’t the Bucs like 55 million over the cap? Their roster will look a lot different come game day.

We will see come game 1 but right now you just cannot say we have a better roster then the saints or bucs.  Its close if anything.   But it doesnt really matter since neither team has a qb

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6 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

People act like those QB's will be available.


Our roster is simply too good to get a top 5 pick.

 

Get our QB now. Stop waiting.

Lol...nope , waiting for a good qb will be well worth it. if we build the rest of the team with better players.People say this every year because its true.

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8 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

So you think this roster is going to get us the #1 pick anytime soon?

Thats not what the roster is for or what I advocated, but it could if we go all in and trade the farm this draft.then it would be the bears pick again.

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1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

wouldn't take it.

Problem with these trade hypotheticals is that fans look at all 1st the same and view trades in a vacuum.

Burns might be worth two 1st but what type of team usually makes that trade?  A good team, that thinks they are a player to two away.  Those type of teams are usually picking at the end of the round.

How many teams picking in the top 10 this year would give up their next two first?  probably not many.

So Burns plus #9 is really more like a top 10 pick this year and like a 24-32 pick the next two years.

Also its not just if our offer is fair, its how it compares to other teams.  What if Indy offers #4 plus their next 2 1st round picks?  They probably view that a lot better than #9 and Burns.  There is a good chance those two future picks will be top-10 type of picks.

Don't get me wrong, I think Burns is valuable but it would probably be more like 1st and 2nd this year, Burns, and a future 2nd.

So people get upset about these Hypothetical trades as if we are the ones themselves negotiating with the other team. which is a mistake to do so, this is purely speculative and for fun.

But People saying Burns plus #9 isnt valuable enough by itself objectively have no idea what theyre talking about.  

And lets break down why:

1. we have a top 10 draft pick, which is very valuable.

2. positions by value in the NFL:1. QB 2. Pass Rush DE. Think otherwise? just look at the history of the NFL draft over the last 20 years. only 1 player has gone 1st overall in the last 20 years that wasnt either a QB or a DE. What does that say? DE and QB are the two most important positions on a team.

3. Brian Burns value is high, very very high! He is a Probowl Pass rushing DE and at the young age of 24. Panthers were already offered 2 first round picks and then some for Burns and already turned that down. So we are already saying Burn's value is higher than that, very high. Probably equivalent to a top 3 draft pick.

That should be more than enough to get the first overall pick. If they wanted anything more I'd tell them to take a hike Burns isnt worth trading for Anything less than a legit Franchise QB level prospect. 

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