Sell me Justin Fields vs CJ Stroud

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Stroud is the savior of this franchise, accept it already

[UNCrules2187]

25 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

This. And it’s my biggest concern over Young/Stroud. Everyone loves them. They get the most publicity. They play in big games. But they quarterback the two most consistently stacked teams on Saturday. 
 

They have talent. You can’t be QB at those programs without talent…but is it franchise top 3 pick talent?

 

I’m not so sure about that. 

Jalen Hurts (Alabama/Oklahoma), Joe Burrow (OSU/LSU), healthy Tua (Alabama), Trevor Lawrence (Clemson), Deshaun Watson (Clemson) would seem to argue against that.

BTW, everyone seems to be sold on Caleb Williams and Drake Maye as the top 2 QBs/franchise-altering talents in the 2024 draft (and as a UNC fan/alum, I'm sold on Maye), but when's the last time USC or UNC produced franchise QBs? Cuts both ways. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by UNCrules2187

[Jay Roosevelt]

Totally different QBs. Fields is more athletic, but Stroud is light years ahead of him as a pocket passer. Similar arms, but Stroud's accuracy is what sets him apart from Fields and from the other QBs in the 2023 class. The floor is quite a bit higher with Stroud than it was with Fields.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Totally different QBs. Fields is more athletic, but Stroud is light years ahead of him as a pocket passer. Similar arms, but Stroud's accuracy is what sets him apart from Fields and from the other QBs in the 2023 class. The floor is quite a bit higher with Stroud than it was with Fields.

I honestly don't think the arms are similar. I think Fields' pure arm talent is significantly better. Stroud checks the box but Fields has an elite arm.

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly don't think the arms are similar. I think Fields' pure arm talent is significantly better. Stroud checks the box but Fields has an elite arm.

That roll out vid from his pro day is jaw dropping

[rayzor]

36 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

This. And it’s my biggest concern over Young/Stroud. Everyone loves them. They get the most publicity. They play in big games. But they quarterback the two most consistently stacked teams on Saturday. 
 

They have talent. You can’t be QB at those programs without talent…but is it franchise top 3 pick talent?

 

I’m not so sure about that. 

they are stacked at talent because they get the most talented people...including QB. people say that there's no way stroud would have been as productive without those elite WRS, but would they be seen as so elite without stroud throwing them the ball? i mean i think they both made each other look good, but they were really good to begin with.

what we saw of stroud in the game with GA was what he looks like when he doesn't have those elite WRs and he still looked really good, in fact he looked the best and most complete that he has all year. he put that team on his shoulders the way you want a QB to. the only problem was the defense and special teams let him down, but make no mistake....he did everything he could possibly do to win.

that loss wasn't on him. they had a chance to win it at the end because he was carrying them. to me, that game proved why he should be drafted in the top 3-5 spots. 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That roll out vid from his pro day is jaw dropping

Yeah, I'm not trying to knock Stroud's arm strength but Fields is a different level.

[ForJimmy]

35 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Jalen Hurts says hi. Pretty sure he piloted a decent college team.

Burrows team was pretty loaded as well

[Wundrbread33]

40 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Jalen Hurts says hi. Pretty sure he piloted a decent college team.

“I’m not so sure about that.”

 

Doesn’t mean

 

”No quarterbacks from top programs succeed in the NFL.”

[bythenbrs]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

Really? All those drunken rants and you want civil discourse?  How about we go back to when Sam was signed and your comments. Which speaks to your credibility much more than some claim of wanting Mahomes. 

[Wundrbread33]

16 minutes ago, rayzor said:

they are stacked at talent because they get the most talented people...including QB. people say that there's no way stroud would have been as productive without those elite WRS, but would they be seen as so elite without stroud throwing them the ball? i mean i think they both made each other look good, but they were really good to begin with.

what we saw of stroud in the game with GA was what he looks like when he doesn't have those elite WRs and he still looked really good, in fact he looked the best and most complete that he has all year. he put that team on his shoulders the way you want a QB to. the only problem was the defense and special teams let him down, but make no mistake....he did everything he could possibly do to win.

that loss wasn't on him. they had a chance to win it at the end because he was carrying them. to me, that game proved why he should be drafted in the top 3-5 spots. 

Linville put it well. Being on a stacked team just makes it harder to evaluate how much credit goes to the QB. It’s just harder to evaluate.

 

But that’s what needs to be done. 
 

I think it’s easier to evaluate QB’s from middling teams in power conferences. You get to see them under ideal situations (like a middling SEC squad against Tulane), but you get to see them against great adversity (playing against Bama, outmatched).

 

Stroud and Young could be elite starters in the NFL, but it’s a lot cloudier because they were in great teams. 
 

That’s all I’m saying. 

[rayzor]

19 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Linville put it well. Being on a stacked team just makes it harder to evaluate how much credit goes to the QB. It’s just harder to evaluate.

 

But that’s what needs to be done. 
 

I think it’s easier to evaluate QB’s from middling teams in power conferences. You get to see them under ideal situations (like a middling SEC squad against Tulane), but you get to see them against great adversity (playing against Bama, outmatched).

 

Stroud and Young could be elite starters in the NFL, but it’s a lot cloudier because they were in great teams. 
 

That’s all I’m saying. 

gotcha. just from my eye test, which doesn't mean jack, he looks like the real deal. i mean he and bryce both look like they deserve the hype. levis and anthony richardson both have too many question marks for me to feel great about picking them earlier than where we are picking and even then it's kind of like we'd be settling and hoping that they could get coached up.

but bryce and cj both showed exactly and consistently what you would want them to show for early draft picks. at least that's what i see.

[Wundrbread33]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

gotcha. just from my eye test, which doesn't mean jack, he looks like the real deal. i mean he and bryce both look like they deserve the hype. levis and anthony richardson both have too many question marks for me to feel great about picking them earlier than where we are picking and even then it's kind of like we'd be settling and hoping that they could get coached up.

but bryce and cj both showed exactly and consistently what you would want them to show for early draft picks. at least that's what i see.

I’ll say this: much of my criticism at this point is that they had ideal situations to play in.

 

Our offensive line is solid and we kept our oline coach. 
 

If we add a TE (or develop one), perhaps another back and receiver in the draft…

…and our defense has talent. 
 

 

One of these quarterbacks could hit the ground running in an ideal situation. 
 

With Reich and this roster, it may be as smooth as it could get for a young QB beginning his career. 

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, travisura said:

"If you have conviction, go get him." - Scott Fitterer, yesterday

Also, sure let's get that Robbie Anderson contract worked out.