Fitterer on drafting a QB this year

[stan786]

16 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

After relentlessly watching 20+ hours of footage of Stroud …. I’d caution everyone to look through the sparkliness…

 

Stroud has some great qualities… but the pieces he needs to work on the most will be damning at the NFL level.

 

first, arm strength. He has a teddy arm… accurate but don’t expect him to be able to put it deep consistently. You can see in the video that he has about 5-6 underthrown balls… the same type of balls that if darnold threw them, the huddle would be tearing him to shreds. Stroud should not get a free pass either. 
 

second, and this is a big one… Stroud has a small case of the yips. If you were to choose to examine every micro second of each of his throws… you’ll notice he has this hesitation problem, as if he second guessing his decision. In college, you will be fine most of the time bc the elite talent on OSU helps make up for that gap. However, at the NFL level this cost football games. I don’t know what it is… but stroud just hesitates on some of his throws

 

Third, in that game specifically, stroud made plays happen through improv moments. He deserves credit for that, and it’s a great quality to have. However, why do you have to have that moment? Why did you abandon your progressions? Why did you slide right when the strong side of your receivers were going left? Stroud puts himself into multiple situations where you have to ask.. “what did you feel in the pocket that made you drift/float in that direction?” OSU does run a moving pocket type of offense, so on plays that it’s intentional, it makes sense. This is the exact issue Baker had last year, he would create sacks on his own by losing pocket awareness.

 

these are all observations and pieces that scouts will be reviewing and asking during his combine. I will say that I don’t believe Stroud has the accelerated vision that Reich brought up. But I’m just an opinion on the internet, nothing more and nothing less.

Only thing I disagree with is Teddy arm, I think that's being EXTREMELY generous to Teddy's arm. He's pretty similar to Burrow in my eyes arm wise who doesn't have top league arm strength but can make the throws but his bread and butter is short and mid range accuracy.

I honestly think that Georgia game watching him work off script answered some of my bigger questions in regards to only being able to work in the system, while yes I think you want them to work in the system he struggled previously when things broke down. In the Georgia game he generally made positives out of that other than a few specific plays I can remember and doing that against that defense is a pretty big step in the right direction for me.

I do think that Georgia game is blinding people from some of his obvious flaws though and I think those are the reason he very easily could be the third QB taken. I'd still be very happy to take him as I think he is the safest QB to take in the first and I think a lot of his issues Reich can help him work through.

[AceBoogie]

17 hours ago, ncfan said:

I could be reading to much into this

But Reich in specific mentioned 

“offense look like Philly”

and

”dual threat like Hurts”

 

additional here recently.

Joe Person hinted at who we’re going after at OC in Brian Johnson out of Philly.

Johnson coached Richardson in Florida.

lastly.  Daniel Jeremiah is one of the most clued in guys in what’s going on in league circles in around draft season.  Jeremiah now has Richardson his 13th OVERALL prospect in this draft

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Richardson is not Hurts. Hurts was actually a good QB in college with a label placed on him. He was good enough to be a top 5 pick. 

[ncfan]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

Richardson is not Hurts. Hurts was actually a good QB in college with a label placed on him. He was good enough to be a top 5 pick. 

Stats wise.  But no one had a 1st rd grade on him like ARich.  Anthony is a bit more raw but has a lot more tools.  And who knows what he would look like throwing to 4 future top 20 picks in that offense or the Oklahoma Lincoln Riley offense which is notorious for making QBs shine.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Richardson is not Hurts. Hurts was actually a good QB in college with a label placed on him. He was good enough to be a top 5 pick. 

Hurts looked like a guy who needed a position change at Bama. It's hard to judge Lincoln Riley QBs. Everyone he puts on the field puts up video game stats in Heisman worthy campaigns.

[top dawg]

29 minutes ago, stan786 said:

Only thing I disagree with is Teddy arm, I think that's being EXTREMELY generous to Teddy's arm. He's pretty similar to Burrow in my eyes arm wise who doesn't have top league arm strength but can make the throws but his bread and butter is short and mid range accuracy.

I honestly think that Georgia game watching him work off script answered some of my bigger questions in regards to only being able to work in the system, while yes I think you want them to work in the system he struggled previously when things broke down. In the Georgia game he generally made positives out of that other than a few specific plays I can remember and doing that against that defense is a pretty big step in the right direction for me.

I do think that Georgia game is blinding people from some of his obvious flaws though and I think those are the reason he very easily could be the third QB taken. I'd still be very happy to take him as I think he is the safest QB to take in the first and I think a lot of his issues Reich can help him work through.

Honestly, I think Georgia was off. I don't believe that Stroud would fare so well if he had to play them again. That being said, he had a great game---probably his best ever.

[stan786]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

Honestly, I think Georgia was off. I don't believe that Stroud would fare so well if he had to play them again. That being said, he had a great game---probably his best ever.

Honestly I just think they faced someone with enough talent to finally challenge them where they were weak. They are notorious for refusing to change what they do for any team because their mentality is that they are going to force others out of their comfort zone by shear talent and will. I think their game vs Tennessee and TCU really demonstrated that.
 

Ohio State had enough receiver talent and a good enough oline to neutralize what they love to do and challenge their secondary. Stroud had to be on to do it but you could tell they weren’t used to getting pushed like that. 
 

I think Georgias defense is good enough on an off day to be a significant challenge though so I don’t think it’s fair to discount what Stroud was able to do necessarily, but I don’t think it washes away all question marks or anything.

[panthers55]

10 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

He is also his very high on accuracy.  The prospect must have good accuracy as a passer. 

Yeah that comes from inconsistent fundamentals. 

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

People put way too much emphasis on the team outcome when looking at prospects. Mahomes was 16-21 during his college career.

Nothing I wrote was about the team… it was all about stroud? What are you referring to that led you to believe I was speaking to the Buckeyes?

[LinvilleGorge]

19 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Nothing I wrote was about the team… it was all about stroud? What are you referring to that led you to believe I was speaking to the Buckeyes?

I quoted the wrong post.

[rebelrouser]

20 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

As Gil Brandt said ‘if you don’t have a Qb, you have no chance’

Every team has a QB. I suppose he is saying go draft one of the hot names. Out of the four guys in the NFL Championship round: Burrow #1, Mahomes #10, Jalen Hurts #53, and Brock Purdy #262.  If you see a Burrow (or a Lawrence or a Luck), go get him. If not, don't mortgage your future.  So three of four we could have had w/ pick #9. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

Trading up to #3 isn't going to be enough. We need to move all the way up to #1 to ensure we have our pick of QBs.

The Texans are sitting pretty at #2; they're guaranteed Young or Stroud. The Colts are going to be gunning for #1 and have a higher pick than us to begin with. That's our primary competition.

It's a given then that this year's 1st + 2024's 1st are going to be part of any trade; likely 2025's 1st as well. Beyond that we may need to give them our late 2nd this year and possibly our 3rd as well.

That's a LOT to give up, but I think it's necessary. At this point we're stuck in no man's land without a QB to the point that nothing else really matters until we find our guy.

If Tepper/Fitterer we're willing to give up the farm for damaged goods in Deshaun Watson then surely they're willing to give up a similar deal to secure a young franchise QB at #1 overall.

[raleigh-panther]

1 minute ago, rebelrouser said:

Every team has a QB. I suppose he is saying go draft one of the hot names. Out of the four guys in the NFL Championship round: Burrow #1, Mahomes #10, Jalen Hurts #53, and Brock Purdy #262.  If you see a Burrow (or a Lawrence or a Luck), go get him. If not, don't mortgage your future.  So three of four we could have had w/ pick #9. 

Yes. Same story every year.  Go back and look who could have been drafted had fox drafted one when he knew jake’s elbow was shot…the QBs that fox passed on…god almighty   Same when Rivera knew Newton’s shoulder was done 

I have faith that under Reich  there will be no drafting a rb or qb, when it is a qb and decent backup needed in that an room 

the colts were a mess under that owner and GM   It will be different here 

over the years of failure by the Panthers, not having a qb is the common denominator 

teams with sustained excellence had one 

 

 

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

19 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Good post--imagine using facts to make your point--what a concept on the Huddle. 

Reading the tea leaves--it sure looks like any of the top 4 qbs, but Richardson makes you wonder because he has the most upside and raw athleticism.

And not cost as clearly as much as it would to go after Stroud. 

[Jackie Lee]

35 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Trading up to #3 isn't going to be enough. We need to move all the way up to #1 to ensure we have our pick of QBs.

The Texans are sitting pretty at #2; they're guaranteed Young or Stroud. The Colts are going to be gunning for #1 and have a higher pick than us to begin with. That's our primary competition.

It's a given then that this year's 1st + 2024's 1st are going to be part of any trade; likely 2025's 1st as well. Beyond that we may need to give them our late 2nd this year and possibly our 3rd as well.

That's a LOT to give up, but I think it's necessary. At this point we're stuck in no man's land without a QB to the point that nothing else really matters until we find our guy.

If Tepper/Fitterer we're willing to give up the farm for damaged goods in Deshaun Watson then surely they're willing to give up a similar deal to secure a young franchise QB at #1 overall.

Texans have the draft capital to move from #2 to #1 if they have a preference between Stroud and Young, if Chicago did move back to #2, they could once again have the Colts or us going for a 2nd trade. Assuming they ultimately want Jalen Carter or Will Anderson I don't know if they'd wanna move back to 9.