This is starting to get nasty with coach wilks.

[Tarheel119]

I’ve seen takes on here and by the media that I think are a little too far. The notion that Wilks was “screwed” over is ridiculous frankly. He was given a shot at the head job. The honest truth was he did a good job. However, let’s not pretend our division was good. We were a mediocre team, you are what your record says you are. He looked like all of the other coaches we’ve had in our existence. I’m happy the players liked him, however decision’s can’t be made that way. Historically, interim coaches don’t work out. For once, the team had a process and listened to the plans of the coaches. From all accounts, Reich’s plan was great. The hot takes are a little ridiculous. 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Race relations/tension are such a messy thing in this world of ours. It's a shame. It will never stop though. 500 years from now, it will still be there turning heads.

The easiest thing to do is just make all coaches in the NFL and NBA POC. And if any whites complain, tell them to go play some damn golf, get into banking, join a cornhole league, surf, or do real estate. But yeah, don't see that happening.

It's all an unsolvable situation because for whatever reason, our society has deemed skin color to actually hold some sort of difference in the way we act as people ... no matter which "skin color" you ask. So stupid. If aliens ever land here and ask what we're like, someone should say: we're idiots ... you might want to leave.

 

[Raskle]

14 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

You could make an argument that he didn't get offers because teams assumed he was going to be the Panthers coach, he isn't the only qualified coach that doesn't get "interviews" or legit consideration.

It's okay to admit the NFL has had some racial discrepancies when it comes to coaches, ownership, and qbs.

It's also okay to like the hiring of Frank Reich.

It's also okay to realize that the team greatly mismanaged the situation and didn't do itself any favors by not perpetuating that notion.

That argument is pure conjecture though. No one can know what the other owners were thinking. The fact is that the Panthers were the only team to interview Wilks. This is undeniable, and an argument can be made (again, conjecture) that this shows he is not racist. I don't like or dislike Tepper.. I don't know the man personally, nor would I ever get the chance to. Couldn't tell you what he's like, but I'm also not going to assume he's racist because he didn't hire a guy either.

I am okay with admitting there's a LOT of racial discrepancies when it comes to coaches, ownership, and QBs. There does need to be more equitable allocation of all those positions in the NFL, but when it's rich old white guys making most of the decisions, it's hard to make change.

I am okay with admitting I like the Reich hiring. He was one of the coaches I banged the drum for back when he was first available. I'm happy we landed him, because I think he's a great coach and better than all others that are available right now that won't cost us draft picks (I greatly dislike Payton, btw.. dude's a schmuck).

I am NOT okay with this last one... what else should they do? They followed the correct hiring procedure, brought in various guys who they thought might help them, and made a decision after vetting a LOT of folks. All of a sudden, because they didn't hire one of the candidates, they're being labeled as racist? Again.. what the actual fug?

Edited January 28, 2023 by Raskle
I am the typo king

[rippadonn]

6-6

[WUnderhill]

20 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

They should have just been honest with Wilks about their direction as opposed to creating a fake interview process and keeping him in the dark.  It probably cost him opportunity.  I'm sure he would have been hard at work trying to land at another spot much earlier if he had been adequately warned.  No way around it, the Panthers absolutely screwed Steve Wilks.  Not saying it's due to race, but he was screwed over and I am mad for him.  Wilks has been nothing but classy.  He did not deserve this, and we don't deserve him honestly.

Saying it was a fake interview process is just pure speculation based on absolutely nothing but feelings. That being said, I could see how if they weren’t seriously considering him, they might have felt they needed to make it look like they were because of the exact nonsense that we’re seeing right now.

[TheMaulClaw]

12 minutes ago, Tarheel119 said:

I’ve seen takes on here and by the media that I think are a little too far. The notion that Wilks was “screwed” over is ridiculous frankly. He was given a shot at the head job. The honest truth was he did a good job. However, let’s not pretend our division was good. We were a mediocre team, you are what your record says you are. He looked like all of the other coaches we’ve had in our existence. I’m happy the players liked him, however decision’s can’t be made that way. Historically, interim coaches don’t work out. For once, the team had a process and listened to the plans of the coaches. From all accounts, Reich’s plan was great. The hot takes are a little ridiculous. 

How can you just deep discount what Wilks did?  Did he choose the players?  Did he choose the staff?  Saying that he performed the same as previous coaches implies he had the same tools available to him.  The same amount of time conducting a training camp.  Wilks came in and saved Teppers ass.  The team was worse then mediocre when Wilks took over.  What did you expect him to do?  Go undefeated with a gutted team and the remnants of the ex coaches coaching staff? 

If Wilks comes in an lays an egg Reich probably doesn't even take this job over Arizona.  Don't discount what Wilks did here.  He did an incredible job, shitting on that to justify what you wanted to see happen is not good form.

You know who the coach of a mediocre team was last year?  A guy who worked with the gm on their talent?  A coach who had a full training camp last year?  Frank Reich.

Bottom line is Wilks performed better with less then Reich last year. Just a fact. 

Edited January 28, 2023 by TheMaulClaw

[TheMaulClaw]

8 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Saying it was a fake interview process is just pure speculation based on absolutely nothing but feelings. That being said, I could see how if they weren’t seriously considering him, they might have felt they needed to make it look like they were because of the exact nonsense that we’re seeing right now.

No, it's based on the fact that they hired Reich's daughter weeks in advance of their "decision."

[TheMaulClaw]

13 minutes ago, Raskle said:

That argument is pure conjecture though. No one can know what the other owners were thinking. The fact is that the Panthers were the only team to interview Wilks. This is undeniable, and an argument can be made (again, conjecture) that this shows he is not racist. I don't like or dislike Tepper.. I don't know the man personally, nor would I ever get the chance to. Couldn't tell you what he's like, but I'm also not going to assume he's racist because he didn't hire a guy either.

I am okay with admitting there's a LOT of racial discrepancies when it comes to coaches, ownership, and QBs. There does need to be more equitable allocation of all those positions in the NFL, but when it's rich old white guys making most of the decisions, it's hard to make change.

I am okay with admitting I like the Reich hiring. He was one of the coaches I banged the drum for back when he was first available. I'm happy we landed him, because I think he's a great coach and better than all others that are available right now that won't cost us draft picks (I greatly dislike Payton, btw.. dude's a schmuck).

I am NOT okay with this last one... what else should they do? They followed the correct hiring procedure, brought in various guys who they thought might help them, and made a decision after vetting a LOT of folks. All of a sudden, because they didn't hire one of the candidates, they're being labeled as racist? Again.. what the actual fug?

I've said multiple times that I don't think it was racially motivated in Wilks case, but it is clear they did not give him a real interview.

[rippadonn]

19 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Exactly right. You can get away with that when it comes to players, but not in the actual real world.

Truthfully I think the NFL should go back to hiring just like everyone else so we could have cut all the bull crap out and hired who they wanted as soon as the organization let Rhule go.

Why do we have to square dance and do see do with everybody just to circle back to the guy they already made their mind up on. The whole process is part of the PC culture that is rotting common sense decency and equity.

So the owner that hires Herm Edwards, Tony Dungy, coach Caldwell or Mike Tomlin are part of an organization that needs policing to not be racist?! It's 2023 not 1973 we need to give ourselves credit for having evolved and not let media and politicians continue to tell us different for profit and agenda.

Evolving means getting rules that no longer fit WHO WE ARE NOW in favor of ones that reward ourselves for the progress and integration we've already achieved. We've come a long way through blood sweat and tears together and people want us to forget how we got to "others" in power now including women.

[trueblade]

30 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

You could make an argument that he didn't get offers because teams assumed he was going to be the Panthers coach, 

That's not the way the NFL works, at all. You think the guy is one of the best options on the market, you bring him in. It happens every coaching search cycle.

[TheMaulClaw]

17 minutes ago, Pantherzilla91 said:

Made a bad choice? What is wrong with you?

Yes you could argue that hiring a guy that got fired halfway through the season, while having horrible offensive output last year was not the best decision versus a guy in house who had the team performing way over expectation with community support.

The Panthers did not expect to trade CMC and get better.  That was a tank attempt.  Make no mistake a 6-6 record, if you can even really count the first game against Wilks with him taking over mid week, is  miracle work.

 

[TheMaulClaw]

Just now, trueblade said:

That's not the way the NFL works, at all. You think the guy is one of the best options on the market, you bring him in. It happens every coaching search cycle.

So are you saying that Wilks didn't do a good job.  That his success here was attributed to something other then doing a hell of a job coaching?

[trueblade]

Just now, TheMaulClaw said:

So are you saying that Wilks didn't do a good job.  That his success here was attributed to something other then doing a hell of a job coaching?

Not saying that at all.

I'm saying if another team thought he was one of the best options, they would have interviewed regardless of if they thought he might get the Carolina job.

[Tarheel119]

1 minute ago, TheMaulClaw said:

How can you just deep discount what Wilks did?  Did he choose the players?  Did he choose the staff?  Saying that he performed the same as previous coaches implies he had the same tools available to him.  The same amount of time conducting a training camp.  Wilks came in and saved Teppers ass.  The team was worse then mediocre when Wilks took over.  What did you expect him to do?  Go undefeated with a gutted team and the remnants of the ex coaches coaching staff? 

If Wilks comes in an lays an egg Reich probably doesn't even take this job over Arizona.  Don't discount what Wilks did here.  He didn't an incredible job, shitting on that to justify what you wanted to see happen is not good form.

You know who the coach of a mediocre team was last year?  A guy who worked with the gm on their talent?  A coach who had a full training camp last year?  Frank Reich.

Bottom line is Wilks performed better with less then Reich last year. Just a fact. 

Calm down man, I am not slighting Wilks. I said he did a good job. However, the trends I saw were the same. We had an above average defense with an average offense built on minimizing mistakes. We’ve done that before. The trends for interim coaches are horrible as well. I’m just looking at the whole body of work. Wilks did out perform Reich last year, but you have to look at the whole body of work.