Cost for Bears pick?

[CamWhoaaCam]

6 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Although they all bring things that would help us the value at #9 is suspect.  I personally take Jaxon Smith-Njigba because although he lacks blazing speed he is a really solid all around WR.  He is my #1 WR so he helps.  Michael Mayer would be interesting there.  He has like zero negatives except maybe explosiveness but he is going to be good to great.

We are not taking a TE at #9 lol

 

Mayer only happens if we trade back.

[Shocker]

5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We are not taking a TE at #9 lol

 

Mayer only happens if we trade back.

Never say never.  #9 lacks talent…which again concerns me.

Who would you take?

I like a quote from Bill Parcels…he valued players that can get you TDs.  Mayer, even at TE, scored a lot of TDs in college.  He is probably the safest pick in this draft IMO.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Shocker

[CamWhoaaCam]

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Never say never.  #9 lacks talent…which again concerns me.

Who would you take?

My hope is we sell out for Young or Stroud.

 

If not then I would take WR Quentin Johnston from TCU.

 

[Shocker]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

My hope is we sell out for Young or Stroud.

 

If not then I would take WR Quentin Johnston from TCU.

 

Not a big fan of Johnston….Mayer article for context 

https://fightingirishwire.usatoday.com/lists/notre-dames-all-time-tight-end-touchdown-reception-leaders/

 

[CamWhoaaCam]

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Not a big fan of Johnston….Mayer article for context 

https://fightingirishwire.usatoday.com/lists/notre-dames-all-time-tight-end-touchdown-reception-leaders/

 

Im not a big fan either which is why we must trade up for Stroud or Young.

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Im not a big fan either which is why we must trade up for Stroud or Young.

I prefer Stroud. I don’t trust Young to stay healthy. 

[Shocker]

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I prefer Stroud. I don’t trust Young to stay healthy. 

If the Panthers were at #1 I would take Young.  That is just my opinion.  Young will very quickly become one of the best players in the NFL.  

Edited January 28, 2023 by Shocker

[BrisbanePanther]

5 hours ago, Shocker said:

If the Panthers were at #1 I would take Young.  That is just my opinion.  Young will very quickly become one of the best players in the NFL.  

Agreed. I also think for once we might get calls in our favor. His size might make refs flag defenders more often...you know, the opposite of how they treated Cam...also because of his size.

Bryce might even get the Brady treatment where no one can breathe on him without getting flagged.

[Jaxel]

I think the cost would be similar to what SF did to get to 3 from 12. A lot to give up, but I'm gonna be honest, it's necessary. We need our guy.

[unicar15]

23 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

3 1st rounders minimum 

The trade chart doesn’t support that and you also have to have multiple interested parties which there won’t be imo. Nobody is getting into a bidding war for an unknown draft commodity with an insane price when there are multiple options in the top 10. The price would be:

#9, #39, 2024 1st ~ 3000 (assuming we’re drafting between 12-17). 
 

The benefit we have is that we have a top 10 pick already and a high 2nd round pick. But it’s not going to be three 1st round picks. That’s basically what Cleveland traded for a proven QB playing like one of the top 3 players in the league. 

[Varking]

I keep saying this but if we want to move up to 1 without absolutely giving up three first rounders we need to root for the Bears to win free agency. I think right now they have no desire to drop further than 5 or 6 without massive free agent moves. Their coach is a defense guy who is missing the two most important pieces of his defense: A DT and a De.

Carter and Anderson are their ideal targets. However, the Bears have close to 100 million in cap space with no further changes to their roster. The Falcons are #2 with about 56 million in cap space. 

The Bears top Free Agent Targets would be:

Javon Hargrave - DT 

Eclipsed 10 sacks from the DT spot last year. Would likely be closer to the 7.5 he had the year before but this is a massive upgrade to the Bears D-line and team as a whole. The Bears had the fewest amount of sacks in the NFL. They had 20. 7 of the Bears 20 sacks came from the DLine and one of those came from Quinn who they traded away. So getting Hargrave, even if he reverts to 7.5 sacks this year, gives them more sacks from DT than they had as a team across the entire line. The Eagles have a bunch of decisions to make around contracts and Hargrave who had one breakeout year may be a guy they have to let walk away. The Eagles had 70 sacks last year and might feel it’s ok to let him walk. 

 

Daron Payne - DT

Had 11.5 sacks this past year and is very young. In a similar situation as Hargrave. He is much younger but Washington is already paying big money to two guys on their defensive line and they have the Chase Young contract coming up, too. Payne may have to be the casualty there and Washington would hope Payne put up his stats because of the guys around him. 

 

The Bears would be getting two players at the most difficult position to generate sacks from on defense that would have more sacks combined than their entire team had last season. This changes how long you are asking the young secondary to cover and it frees up the linebackers to do more damage. Basically, these two alone would help the Bears get closer to the 18 points a game they were giving up early on in the season which would keep them in every game.

 

Yannic Ngakoue - DE

He has never had less than 8 sacks in a season but is a liability in the run game. You hate to hear it but he’s something above a poor mans version of Brian Burns. But he also won’t require you to break the bank. 

 

The Bears are developing a young lad on the line as their other DE. This spends roughly 65 million of that 90 they have which puts them round 25 million left and would only have like 9 teams with more cap space left still. This completely revamps the line and affords you the luxury to still pick Carter or Anderson as a luxury or it allows you the luxury of just trading the #1 for the most amount of value and you would be more willing to drop further in this draft. 

This is really the only scenario where we don’t get baited into giving up three firsts and a couple seconds to move up to 1. If they Bears don’t get a free agency revamp on their dline there is no way they are willing to drop to 9 and miss out on Anderson and Carter. 

[Varking]

3 minutes ago, unicar15 said:

The trade chart doesn’t support that and you also have to have multiple interested parties which there won’t be imo. Nobody is getting into a bidding war for an unknown draft commodity with an insane price when there are multiple options in the top 10. The price would be:

#9, #39, 2024 1st ~ 3000 (assuming we’re drafting between 12-17). 
 

The benefit we have is that we have a top 10 pick already and a high 2nd round pick. But it’s not going to be three 1st round picks. That’s basically what Cleveland traded for a proven QB playing like one of the top 3 players in the league. 

In this example we are trying to move up 8 spots to get to 1. The 49ers moved up 9 spots to go from 12 to 3 and they gave up three first round picks and a third for a QB who didn’t throw in high school and barely threw in college. And you think there would be less of a bidding war to move to #1 vs #3?

[Varking]

3 minutes ago, Varking said:

In this example we are trying to move up 8 spots to get to 1. The 49ers moved up 9 spots to go from 12 to 3 and they gave up three first round picks and a third for a QB who didn’t throw in high school and barely threw in college. And you think there would be less of a bidding war to move to #1 vs #3?

And to this:

 

They can offer the #2 pick in the draft plus something else. If they are that desperate they could offer the #2 pick and their second rounder. Then the Bears at 2 flip the #2 pick to the Colts for their #4 and their second rounder. 

The Bears would then be picking at:

4 - Will Anderson or Jalen Carter who they would have taken at #1, paid them less money than at #1 and picked up two more high end second round picks. If Stroud, Young and Levis go 1-3, what would somebody be willing to give up for Richardson as the last of the top end QB prospects in this draft? What would somebody be willing to give up to move to 4 to get the best defensive player in the draft? 

If the Bears play free agency correctly they could be setting themselves up in a poor division to really push themselves to the top over the next year or two and have a ton of young talent coming in and still have a healthy cap situation. 

[CmC2k]

I think trading up to #5 with the seahawks is far more realistic. Fitter still has ties to that front office, and it'll put us in the perfect spot to select Stroud or Young when the Colts or the Texans fall for the Levis hype train that'll build up during the combine and his pro day. I think we could get to #5 with only giving up #9 and our 2nd and 3rd round picks from the 49ers. Would then probably need to trade down from our 1st 2nd round pick to recoup some draft capital after.