Report. Panthers pivoting from Shane Steichen

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

It is listing the coaches who are  making the best choices when they decide to go for it. Going for it all the time and failing doesn't make you aggressive it makes you stupid. So yeah Rivera is not only aggressive but smart when he attempts it and has a good chance of success.

Bro you are really arguing that Ron Rivera is an aggressive coach.  I really cannot respond to that type of stupidity.  Really man

[HPPantherzfan]

If we make it through the weekend with no coach named I wonder if we pivot back to at least have a second interview

[panthers55]

28 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Bro you are really arguing that Ron Rivera is an aggressive coach.  I really cannot respond to that type of stupidity.  Really man

Of course you have no response since I just showed you the facts and it counters your baseless speculation. Your motto is always don't let the facts get in your way......

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Of course you have no response since I just showed you the facts and it counters your baseless speculation. Your motto is always don't let the facts get in your way......

Lollers

 

 

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2021/aggressiveness-index-2020

 

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/frank-reich-named-panthers-head-coach-john-and-billy/id1523253913?i=1000597362430

 

Billy marshall and Ellis absolutely unload on the hiring process and how absolutely moronic it was to simply dismiss him as a candidate from a bad zoom interview  What I was saying all along.  Absolute must listen about the process and the interviewing of DC's

 

starts around 30 minutes in

[rayzor]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/frank-reich-named-panthers-head-coach-john-and-billy/id1523253913?i=1000597362430

 

Billy marshall and Ellis absolutely unload on the hiring process and how absolutely moronic it was to simply dismiss him as a candidate from a bad zoom interview  What I was saying all along.  Absolute must listen about the process and the interviewing of DC's

 

starts around 30 minutes in

from the minute reich was fired in indy, he probably became the front runner for us. he checks all the boxes they were looking for:

1) offensive minded

2) experienced and successful HC (no learning curve)

3) local/panther ties

i don't think anyone else really had a chance. i think they were burned out relying on potential as a deciding factor because of rhule.

i just hope they are burned out on trying to make a QB reclamation project your starting QB.

[LinvilleGorge]

Yeah, I think we were intrigued and tempted by young potential offensive wunderkinds, but ultimately after the Rhule flop I think Tepper wanted a safer alternative. 

That's why I kind of expect a young potential offensive wunderkind at OC. It gives him the best of both worlds. Safer, more experienced HC with exciting potential at OC. We'll see...

[Jaxel]

12 minutes ago, rayzor said:

from the minute reich was fired in indy, he probably became the front runner for us. he checks all the boxes they were looking for:

1) offensive minded

2) experienced and successful HC (no learning curve)

3) local/panther ties

i don't think anyone else really had a chance. i think they were burned out relying on potential as a deciding factor because of rhule.

i just hope they are burned out on trying to make a QB reclamation project your starting QB.

To be fair, Steichen has not really generated near the buzz folks thought he would. Sure he has a second interview with the Colts, but that situation is a mess.

Edited January 31, 2023 by Jaxel

[travisura]

12 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i just hope they are burned out on trying to make a QB reclamation project your starting QB.

Agree with this, although I do think there's a notable difference between Rhule picking and coaching a retread, and Reich picking and coaching a retread. Maybe this is just me being optimistic, but I'd like to think if Reich signs one it'd just be to be a bridge QB and not a long term solution.

[rayzor]

1 minute ago, travisura said:

Agree with this, although I do think there's a notable difference between Rhule picking and coaching a retread, and Reich picking and coaching a retread. Maybe this is just me being optimistic, but I'd like to think if Reich signs one it'd just be to be a bridge QB and not a long term solution.

i hope so.

there's a part of me that is expecting us to pick up Derek Carr, and while i like him and think he's got a lot left in him and he's not near the reclamation project that sammy or baker was... i'd still rather us find our guy in the first round. 

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

To be fair, Steichen has not really generated near the buzz folks thought he would. Sure he has a second interview with the Colts, but that situation is a mess.

Makes me wonder if Sirianni is still heavily involved in the offense and Steichen kind of assists hims/helps draw up plays.  

[travisura]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

i hope so.

there's a part of me that is expecting us to pick up Derek Carr, and while i like him and think he's got a lot left in him and he's not near the reclamation project that sammy or baker was... i'd still rather us find our guy in the first round. 

Full agree.

[UNCrules2187]

31 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/frank-reich-named-panthers-head-coach-john-and-billy/id1523253913?i=1000597362430

 

Billy marshall and Ellis absolutely unload on the hiring process and how absolutely moronic it was to simply dismiss him as a candidate from a bad zoom interview  What I was saying all along.  Absolute must listen about the process and the interviewing of DC's

 

starts around 30 minutes in

I have some issues here with how Billy specifically is taking some tweets or incomplete intel as stated fact. He's taking Ben's report that Steichen didn't interview well over Zoom and lambasting Tepper for not interviewing him in person/eliminating him as a candidate, but then taking another report from Jeremy Fowler that DeMeco felt like Carolina didn't seriously pursue him so he didn't interview rather than Ben's report that Carolina wanted to interview Ryans and he just wasn't interested in the job (a report I take more stock in given he pulled himself out of the Colts and Cardinals HC searches as well). Or somehow insinuating that Ben Johnson pulled out of the coaching search because of something he didn't like about the organization - if that was the case, he could've kept himself as a candidate for the Indy and Houston gigs and just pulled out of Carolina, but he didn't. He decided for whatever reason that he didn't feel he was ready to be a HC and got a fairly sizeable raise to stick in Detroit and get some more seasoning. 

Then flaming Tepper for not closing the deal with Fangio over $ when Josina Anderson clearly reported that Carolina made Fangio an offer that would make him the highest paid DC in the league and he took that back to Miami and asked them to match. Sometimes you get played for leverage to get what you want from where you really want to go (allegedly given he hasn't even signed that contract with Miami yet).

Look, Tepper has made more than his fair share of mistakes over his 5 years owning this team, but I don't think you can take everything that's gone wrong in Carolina and put it all at his feet and not give him any credit for things that do go according to plan.

Edited January 31, 2023 by UNCrules2187

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i hope so.

there's a part of me that is expecting us to pick up Derek Carr, and while i like him and think he's got a lot left in him and he's not near the reclamation project that sammy or baker was... i'd still rather us find our guy in the first round. 

I'm an advocate of both. If Carr is released we should be in the mix. Then we should still pick Anthony Richardson if he's there at #9. What I DON'T want to do is trade for Carr. They're going to try to trade him first. We need to stay out of that.