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Why is mediocrity so attractive?

Ivan The Awesome

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panthers55 Grand Master

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16 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I’d rather go 0-17 next year with a new HC that will grow and improve than 7-10 for the next five years before we start looking for another HC.  I’ve seen enough of what he’s done in the past here as DC, secondary coach and HC this year to know that the chances of him all of a sudden learning how to put games away are slim to none. Not to mention keeping Holcomb as DC if he stays is its own recipe for disaster. 

I have waited a long time for a winning season. I want to win now not 5 years down the road. We were promised that with Rhule and we see  how that turns out. No Wilkes will give us a winning season next year given how well he did with cast-offs and half a staff.

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4 hours ago, Mage said:

Wilks supporters will conveniently ignore he guided the Cardinals to the #1 overall pick or that he got fired after 1 year as DC in Cleveland because he sucked, but make sure we know he went 6-6!

Because that was relevant before the 6-6. Not nearly as important after we saw what he did here.

 

Like Seifert had amazing success before we hired him as HC.

 

That quickly became irrelevant after he stunk it up here. 
 

People improve and regress. They produce, or are products of their situations (or both).

 

Wilks, in context, took the team from dumpster fire to average. Mid season. That deserves props. 
 

Doesn’t mean he will always be average. He may suck. He may be better in the full role. We don’t know. 

Average for his situation is pretty good in context though. 

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15 hours ago, Stuart Smith said:

The sad thing about this is Wilkes has not been given a fair chance to lead a team as head coach. He took a near impossible situation and his efforts resulted in an improvement. Had we beat Tampa we would not have won a playoff game, it really exposed our weakness at CB. If we criticize the game plan and effort at Tampa we should also be as quick to give credit for the wins against Detroit and Seattle which we were not supposed to win. It was not the 6 and 6 record by Wilkes that kept us out of the playoffs, but the 1 and 4 start by Rhule .  I hope before his career is over he will have a chance to coach a team with his choices of coaches and that he will have input in drafting players he likes. He deserves it. 

I want what's best for the team not what's fair to Wilks or Fitts or anyone else. They're not 10 years old, they will be ok.

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18 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I’d rather go 0-17 next year with a new HC that will grow and improve than 7-10 for the next five years before we start looking for another HC.  I’ve seen enough of what he’s done in the past here as DC, secondary coach and HC this year to know that the chances of him all of a sudden learning how to put games away are slim to none. Not to mention keeping Holcomb as DC if he stays is its own recipe for disaster. 

You don't know a new head coach will grow and improve. If you look at history there are a lot more guys who have never been head coaches before who flamed out in their first head coaching job. That includes the GOAT- Belichick. No the chances for success with a brand new hire with no HC experience is worse than a known entity. So again your philosophy is likely to give up another loser like Rhule versus a proven winner. I will take Reich or Wilkes. And I heard Steichen didn't interview well. He is likely in over his head 

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Mediocrity is what you will get when you don't have a franchise QB.

 

Everybody naming different coaches. A coach can help but you need to get said coach a franchise QB.

 

Our #1 priority should be trying to trade up for Young/Stroud or going all in on Lamar Jackson.

 

You can't really do anything in the NFL without a franchise QB.

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1 hour ago, Shotgun said:

I want what's best for the team not what's fair to Wilks or Fitts or anyone else. They're not 10 years old, they will be ok.

If you do not treat people with the respect they have earned as a member of the Panthers organization it is not best for the team. You lose respect from players, fans, and anyone that follows the team. 

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2 hours ago, Stuart Smith said:

If you do not treat people with the respect they have earned as a member of the Panthers organization it is not best for the team. You lose respect from players, fans, and anyone that follows the team. 

If hurt feelings are more important than winning then your team will suck like the Panthers have and do. You think the Patriots ever gave sh*t about peoples feelings? lol

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8 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

If hurt feelings are more important than winning then your team will suck like the Panthers have and do. You think the Patriots ever gave sh*t about peoples feelings? lol

It is a business, I get that. Decisions have to be made that are unpleasant. Players and coaches know that. There is still a room to make these decisions with respect. 

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Just now, Stuart Smith said:

It is a business, I get that. Decisions have to be made that are unpleasant. Players and coaches know that. There is still a room to make these decisions with respect. 

Sure, no need to be disrespectful but business is business. They want to stay employed here? Win playoff games.

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OP there are different types of 6-6. 
 

Going 6-6 with an underachieving roster is different than pulling a team out of an accelerating nose dive, pretty much against anyone’s expectations. That wasn’t mediocrity. It was closer to great. 

Could he do as impressive of a job if the talent was better, tne bar was higher, etc. And he had his staff and got to stand on his own foundation from the beginning? Can’t say without seeing it. 

I don’t expect him to be hired but people are really undervaluing the job he did. 

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On 1/24/2023 at 7:56 PM, stan786 said:

He looked pretty good without AJB last year when Hurts wasn't thought to be all that special, he looked great with the chargers.  But the most offensive thing stated here is thinking Miles Sanders is a top 10 RB.

At least he changed it from top 5 when he posted that in another thread

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