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Graziano: Fangio leading DC Candidate in Carolina for Young HC

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1 hour ago, therealmjl said:

Not hiring Fangio if he has interest would be an incredibly stupid move, regardless of who the HC is, so I fully expect us to announce the return of Wilks/Holcomb awful defense in 2023.

  • 14th in rush yards allowed per run
  • 22nd in pass yards per game allowed
  • 22nd in total yards per game allowed
  • 25th in sacks
  • 23rd in 3rd down percentage
  • 19th in points allowed

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I wouldn't call the defense awful -- let's put it in context, no one after Brian Burans (12.5 sacks) that can rush the passer, no one after Jaycee Horn, and in some of your cases begrudgingly so after Donte' Jackson. A list of JAGs on the IDL, and Off-ball LB'er, Shaq is good but over-paid, Luvu had a career year but has limitations, Wilson fell out the rotation, and Littleton was a decent contributor. With the emergence of Derrick Brown, and IO the IDL depth was weak.

Even with those things, finishing 19th in PPG allowed is relatively impressive, for an offense as limited as ours was it was clear in several games the team just got tired on defense. Being top 15 in the league versus rushing yards per play is impressive as well. 

Some Playoff teams worse than 19th in PPG allowed:

  • 18th - GB (included as they were one rank above us, but have a HOF QB)
  • 21st - LAC
  • 24th MIA 
  • 25th - SEA
  • 29th - MIN
  • 30th - DET (included since they were a fringe playoff team if they could beat us)

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The one thing all those teams have in common...they all had legit offenses with either a combination of competent coaching, quarterback play, or both. 

No one here is gonna say Darnold is competent, at best you could maybe say streaky...he's inconsistent. 

The saying is, and always will fall back to, ''the best defense is a good offense'' and we haven't had a ''good offense'' since 2018 before Cam got injured. 

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So the Panthers are interviewing for coordinators the same time as HC? 
 

so that means are front office essentially wants to put a staff together themselves vs letting the HC do it? That sounds like a nice way to make the job unattractive to a young HC.  Not let him hire his own team but give him one?  Just put the requirement he has to have a former HC on staff and let him choose where it goes 

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14 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:
  • 14th in rush yards allowed per run
  • 22nd in pass yards per game allowed
  • 22nd in total yards per game allowed
  • 25th in sacks
  • 23rd in 3rd down percentage
  • 19th in points allowed

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I wouldn't call the defense awful -- let's put it in context, no one after Brian Burans (12.5 sacks) that can rush the passer, no one after Jaycee Horn, and in some of your cases begrudgingly so after Donte' Jackson. A list of JAGs on the IDL, and Off-ball LB'er, Shaq is good but over-paid, Luvu had a career year but has limitations, Wilson fell out the rotation, and Littleton was a decent contributor. With the emergence of Derrick Brown, and IO the IDL depth was weak.

Even with those things, finishing 19th in PPG allowed is relatively impressive, for an offense as limited as ours was it was clear in several games the team just got tired on defense. Being top 15 in the league versus rushing yards per play is impressive as well. 

Some Playoff teams worse than 19th in PPG allowed:

  • 18th - GB (included as they were one rank above us, but have a HOF QB)
  • 21st - LAC
  • 24th MIA 
  • 25th - SEA
  • 29th - MIN
  • 30th - DET (included since they were a fringe playoff team if they could beat us)

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The one thing all those teams have in common...they all had legit offenses with either a combination of competent coaching, quarterback play, or both. 

No one here is gonna say Darnold is competent, at best you could maybe say streaky...he's inconsistent. 

The saying is, and always will fall back to, ''the best defense is a good offense'' and we haven't had a ''good offense'' since 2018 before Cam got injured. 

GB didn't make playoffs. And the other 4 teams were one and done even though they had much better offenses than Carolina did.

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7 minutes ago, CRA said:

So the Panthers are interviewing for coordinators the same time as HC? 
 

so that means are front office essentially wants to put a staff together themselves vs letting the HC do it? That sounds like a nice way to make the job unattractive to a young HC.  Not let him hire his own team but give him one?  Just put the requirement he has to have a former HC on staff and let him choose where it goes 

They've interviewed two defensive coordinators who have ties to Sean Payton in Fangio (reported Payton wants him on staff anyway) and Richard, and another to fulfill the Rooney Rule requirement (Marquan Manuel).

They have one goal in mind.

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50 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:
  • 14th in rush yards allowed per run
  • 22nd in pass yards per game allowed
  • 22nd in total yards per game allowed
  • 25th in sacks
  • 23rd in 3rd down percentage
  • 19th in points allowed

____________________________________________________

I wouldn't call the defense awful -- let's put it in context, no one after Brian Burans (12.5 sacks) that can rush the passer, no one after Jaycee Horn, and in some of your cases begrudgingly so after Donte' Jackson. A list of JAGs on the IDL, and Off-ball LB'er, Shaq is good but over-paid, Luvu had a career year but has limitations, Wilson fell out the rotation, and Littleton was a decent contributor. With the emergence of Derrick Brown, and IO the IDL depth was weak.

Even with those things, finishing 19th in PPG allowed is relatively impressive, for an offense as limited as ours was it was clear in several games the team just got tired on defense. Being top 15 in the league versus rushing yards per play is impressive as well. 

Some Playoff teams worse than 19th in PPG allowed:

  • 18th - GB (included as they were one rank above us, but have a HOF QB)
  • 21st - LAC
  • 24th MIA 
  • 25th - SEA
  • 29th - MIN
  • 30th - DET (included since they were a fringe playoff team if they could beat us)

_______________________________________________________

The one thing all those teams have in common...they all had legit offenses with either a combination of competent coaching, quarterback play, or both. 

No one here is gonna say Darnold is competent, at best you could maybe say streaky...he's inconsistent. 

The saying is, and always will fall back to, ''the best defense is a good offense'' and we haven't had a ''good offense'' since 2018 before Cam got injured. 

Our defense 100% regressed once Snow was fired.

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39 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

They've interviewed two defensive coordinators who have ties to Sean Payton in Fangio (reported Payton wants him on staff anyway) and Richard, and another to fulfill the Rooney Rule requirement (Marquan Manuel).

They have one goal in mind.

If you want Sean Payton you just hire him and let him build out his team/staff.  Simple as that.   You don’t need a bad front office dictating coordinators to a HC hire. 

Now have 2 young coordinators saying no thanks to a NFL HC opportunity here. What’s that say.  

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