Roman Harper thinks Sean Payton could be our next HC now

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

Also while we’re on how much it will cost.

 

If Payton pretty much goes I’m only willing to be traded and sign with team ____

 

what does that do to the price?

This is the stupidest argument ever. The coaches salary doesn't have any weight at all. 

[pantherclaw]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Because right now we have no HC, OC, DC or coaching structure of any kind. Our FO is questionable depending on who is hired as HC and how much control they are given. We don't have a QB unless you think Darnold is the answer. If you draft a rookie or roll with Corral, you're still 2-3 years away from being a serious contender while you develop your QB. We lack depth, especially on defense. Sure we could win the division, but TB just got obliterated in the wildcard because they were the best turd in the NFCS. If you are going to commit to becoming a perennial winner, commit. Just winning the NFCS with a losing record isn't "winning" IMO. 

In 2-3 years, is that talent still going to be here? DJ, Brown. Chinn. Horn. What other talent are we building around? We have the potential for a good offensive line, but that's going to require constant investment every year. We aren't ready to compete for it all next year. It's time to get the right foundation and build from there and that starts in the FO with Tepper letting football people make football decisions. 

You said it, we're a QB away from being a true contender.  No reason to blow up the team. 

Any new head coach will bring their staff, so weak argument there. 

And how do you know Tepper isn't banging the drum for Sean? You don't. 

All you peeps acting like Tepper is a puppet master are talking out of your asses. 

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

No. Fitterer is a first time GM.

BS. He is a non-gimp GM for the first time (maybe?). He has been a gimp GM for 2 years.

I hope he can do well now in the new role but he signed up to be Rhule's gimp. Now is his chance to prove he is more but he did the dirty deeds the job required that he knowingly took over the last 2 years.

[ickmule]

4 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

You said it, we're a QB away from being a true contender.  No reason to blow up the team. 

This is my only worry.  Are we a decent QB removed or going to overhaul the staff, change the system and 2 to 3 years from playoffs ? I have no faith in this club to do the right thing.  

[trueblade]

48 minutes ago, joemac said:

I could see a 5 year, 80 million dollar contract or even more. 

Payton's contract is going to be 20 million a year or more. 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

Didnt Fitts just GM for a coach that had full power?

All he did was get the coffee and order food for everybody right lol

[joemac]

40 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

That detailed thinking but the 1 caveat, is its not just about Sean. Do the Broncos  have any  worthwhile capital to make a trade? 

They got a first back from Miami in the Chubb trade. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

8 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

This is the stupidest argument ever. The coaches salary doesn't have any weight at all. 

Because the cost isn't in terms of salary. It's in terms of picks. NO wants picks for the rights to SP. You don't think if he says I'm only coaching in Carolina that price goes up? They're going to stick it to a division rival any way they can. 

 

6 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

You said it, we're a QB away from being a true contender.  No reason to blow up the team. 

Any new head coach will bring their staff, so weak argument there. 

And how do you know Tepper isn't banging the drum for Sean? You don't. 

All you peeps acting like Tepper is a puppet master are talking out of your asses. 

Who's the QB you're bringing in next year to make this team an instant contender? A lot can happen in the 2-3 years it takes to develop a young QB, especially when it comes to other players, contracts and injuries.

Matt Rhule brought his own staff. That worked out really well. Getting a new HC doesn't matter unless you get it right. 

Tepper could very well be banging the drum for Sean. He also banged the drum for Watson to the point the team restructured contracts to make an offer for a guy who never wanted to be in Charlotte unlesss he had no other option. And he hired the used car salesman after listening to Marty fugging Hurney. Tepper has had his hands all over how the organization has been run and the results have been garbage. 

[pantherclaw]

5 minutes ago, ickmule said:

This is my only worry.  Are we a decent QB removed or going to overhaul the staff, change the system and 2 to 3 years from playoffs ? I have no faith in this club to do the right thing.  

Which is your personal problem. 

Which is shared by a lot of people on the huddle. 

Which is the very definition of bias. 

[Jon Snow]

7 minutes ago, Waldo said:

BS. He is a non-gimp GM for the first time (maybe?). He has been a gimp GM for 2 years.

I hope he can do well now in the new role but he signed up to be Rhule's gimp. Now is his chance to prove he is more but he did the dirty deeds the job required that he knowingly took over the last 2 years.

I'm talking about his first "GM" job was when Rhule hired him. 

[Seltzer]

20 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It’s just the way it’s been. Can’t do a full rebuild for god knows why and we aren’t good enough to compete. You trade CMC, fine, but WTF do you not make a trade for triple the assets on a guy about to break the bank? We continue to half ass everything. We need a new QB but we'll do it on the cheap. 3 years, 2nd, two 3rds, two 4ths and 5th round picks and $65M later we have Matt Corral.

You really can't let the Burns thing go can you?... Like it or not, a top-10 edge rusher is probably the 2nd hardest position to find behind a franchise QB.  This isn't Madden or fantasy football.  I'm not trying to be mean, but you have posted this ad nauseum and I genuinely don't understand how you don't grasp this.

You can draft a serviceable RB in any round (or as a UDFA).  Will they be as good as CMC?  Probably not, but the overall haul makes complete sense, especially given CMC's salary.  

That being said, even 3 first rounders is no guarantee for an equivalent trade for an elite edge rusher, especially one under 25.

Quality matters manifestly more than quantity with edge rushers (and QB's which is why they are valued as such).  We've only drafted 2 in our entire franchise history (Peppers & Burns).  The Rams threw out that offer hoping this was a fire sale, but even they probably had little hope we would take that deal.

You and I are not smarter than Fitterer when it comes to evaluating players.  We're just not.  We're not privy to inside information, and we many times have not the slightest idea how players are valued across the league.  Calling Fitterer an idiot for not taking that deal when literally no one else across the league advocated for it should tell you something.  It really should.

Everything with the Panthers isn't sunshine and rainbows, but it isn't doom and gloom, either.  Seriously.  If it was, Sean Payton would not have the slightest interest in coming here.

The Panthers are an attractive destination.  Look at any ranking of the openings out there.

And I feel one-million percent confident that keeping Burns is in absolutely no way setting this team back.

[pantherclaw]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

Because the cost isn't in terms of salary. It's in terms of picks. NO wants picks for the rights to SP. You don't think if he says I'm only coaching in Carolina that price goes up? They're going to stick it to a division rival any way they can. 

 

Who's the QB you're bringing in next year to make this team an instant contender? A lot can happen in the 2-3 years it takes to develop a young QB, especially when it comes to other players, contracts and injuries.

Matt Rhule brought his own staff. That worked out really well. Getting a new HC doesn't matter unless you get it right. 

Tepper could very well be banging the drum for Sean. He also banged the drum for Watson to the point the team restructured contracts to make an offer for a guy who never wanted to be in Charlotte unlesss he had no other option. And he hired the used car salesman after listening to Marty fugging Hurney. Tepper has had his hands all over how the organization has been run and the results have been garbage. 

Love your conspiracy theory.  

I'm not the one making rhe decisions, and I doubt SP would even take the job, if he didn't have a plan in place. 

[ncfan]

14 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

This is the stupidest argument ever. The coaches salary doesn't have any weight at all. 

Think you got it confused.

didn’t mean salary

meant  cost trade wise to get him.  If he told them he only wanted to go to team A.  What does that do to the market price to trade for him if there is no competition because he set the teams.  Or he can just sit out 1 more year and New Orleans gets nothing 

 

[pantherclaw]

Just now, ncfan said:

Think you got it confused.

didn’t mean salary

meant  cost trade wise to get him.  If he told them he only wanted to go to team A.  What does that do to the market price to trade for him if there is no competition because he set the teams.  Or he can just sit out 1 more year and New Orleans gets nothing 

 

A future first round pick for the best coach the Panthers can get? 

Oh my.  Glad you're not making the decisions.