Only one playoff team in the NFC had/has a 1st round draft choice at QB.

[SCO96]

1 minute ago, KillerKat said:

Dumb thread. Also, 5 out of the 8 in the NFC also are not on their original team. All 7 QBs in the AFC were drafted by their team and all first round QBs.

No, it isn't a dumb thread. The post simply shows that in the NFC, our conference, only one of the starting QB's in the playoffs was drafted in the first round. Why does it matter of they're on their original team?  Some people act like if we don't trade up to get Stroud (who may not even come out this year) or Bryce Young then we are destined to spend the rest of the decade in QB purgatory. That isn't necessarily the case. The 49ers gave away a slew of picks to draft guy who has contributed nothing to their playoff runs the last two years. If their 6th round pick keep playing like this Lance may not even get his starting job back next year.

Most of us want an offensive minded coach in 2023. We have enough talent on this team that some pundits feel we may be the most desirable landing spots for a coach this season. I think the right coach could find a player after the 1st round who fits his scheme and develop him into a solid player. If an offensive minded coach drafts the wrong player we'll still be in QB purgatory.

I don't ,nor do most of us cautious Huddlers, have a problem picking a QB in the 1st round. My post said we shouldn't reach for a questionable player just to address the position.

[SCO96]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Plus the reining SB campion QB was a former 1 overall 

But...but... according to Killer Kat Stafford doesnt' count because he didn't win it with his orignal team 

On a serious note, Stafford actually proves that a 1st round pick needs to be in the right situation to thrive. Before the trade to LA he couldn't even win a playoff game in Detroit. As soon as he got to a good team in LA (Good coach, Good o-line, skill players, and solid defense) he wins 3 playoff games in a row and a SB ring.

[CPantherKing]

14 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

1. Chiefs - first round QB

2. Bills - first round QB

3. Bengals- first round QB

4. Jags - First round QB

5. Ravens - First round QB (injured)

6. Chargers - First round QB

7. Dolphins - First round QB (injured)

Verdict: majority of playoff teams have a first round QB

Non-first round QBs have more success in the playoffs than 1st round QBs.

When looking at 1st round QBs and success for the team that drafts them, it looks even worse for 1st round QBs in the playoffs.

The worst thing a team could do is draft a 1st round QB without a professional sports pedigree and develop them. Trade for a 27/28 year old 1st round QB who is a proven winner, draft mid to late round QBs, sign undrafted QBs, let the QBs compete and keep starting them as long as they have 1 GWD for every 3 losses. If they get to 4 losses without a GWD or 7 losses without 3 GWD, move on. Trade them if they have perceived value around the league.

[Kentucky Panther]

The AFC is considered the stronger conference by quite a bit, and their QBs have all been taken high first round for the most part. So, not something to really brag about. 

[SCO96]

20 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Non-first round QBs have more success in the playoffs than 1st round QBs.

When looking at 1st round QBs and success for the team that drafts them, it looks even worse for 1st round QBs in the playoffs.

The worst thing a team could do is draft a 1st round QB without a professional sports pedigree and develop them. Trade for a 27/28 year old 1st round QB who is a proven winner, draft mid to late round QBs, sign undrafted QBs, let the QBs compete and keep starting them as long as they have 1 GWD for every 3 losses. If they get to 4 losses without a GWD or 7 losses without 3 GWD, move on. Trade them if they have perceived value around the league.

This isn't football related, but your post made me think of the LA Lakers. This team hardly ever wins championships with the centers they draft.

Since the 1960's I think they've only drafted one Center who who a focal point on their championship team. The team acquired Wilt Chamberlain in the late 60's and won a title in 1972. They got Kareem from Milwaukee in the 1970s and went on to win 5 titles in the 80's. The traded for Shaq and he teamed with Kobe to win 3 titles. They drafted Andrew Bynum who was pivotal in helping Kobe win his last two titles with the Lakers. The team won their last title in 2020 when they traded for Anthony Davis to help Lebron win his 4th title.

I wish it were that easy to acquire championship caliber QB's thru trades in the NFL. 

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by SCO96

[Aussie Tank]

18 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

But...but... according to Killer Kat Stafford doesnt' count because he didn't win it with his orignal team 

On a serious note, Stafford actually proves that a 1st round pick needs to be in the right situation to thrive. Before the trade to LA he couldn't even win a playoff game in Detroit. As soon as he got to a good team in LA (Good coach, Good o-line, skill players, and solid defense) he wins 3 playoff games in a row and a SB ring.

Still a 1st round QB 

[Growl]

55 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

1. Chiefs - first round QB

2. Bills - first round QB

3. Bengals- first round QB

4. Jags - First round QB

5. Ravens - First round QB (injured)

6. Chargers - First round QB

7. Dolphins - First round QB (injured)

Verdict: majority of playoff teams have a first round QB

“if you’ll just look over here at this carefully selected information…”

[SCO96]

2 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

1. Chiefs - first round QB . 

2. Bills - first round QB

3. Bengals- first round QB

4. Jags - First round QB

5. Ravens - First round QB (injured)

6. Chargers - First round QB

7. Dolphins - First round QB (injured)

Verdict: majority of playoff teams have a first round QB

True, but several of these guys were drafted outside the top 5. Their teams didn't "tank" to get them. Mahomes (#10) and Allen (#7) went to teams that made the playoffs the year before they got there. The Ravens were 9-7 the year before Lamar Jackson got there. Jackson was the 5th QB chosen in his draft class. Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith his first year. Lamar sat for half of his 1st year backing up Joe Flacco. The above 3 weren't drafted by scrubb teams and the FO didn't mortage their future away and weaken the long term plans to get them.

Herbert is a stud, but he still hasn't won a playoff game. I don't see how they lost that game to JAX tonight.

Tua is proving to be injury prone as expected. He has had his moments, but all of us realize that he may not be long for the NFL with his all of his injuries and concussions. 

Burrow is the real deal. Nuff said.

Trevor is shaking off the stench of Urban Meyer and seems poised to take off, especally after tonight's improbable win. Still, he looked pretty pedestrian until Doug Pederson was hired to coach him. 

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In terms of potential they are more talented than the top 7 in the NFC, but potential means nothing in the grand scheme of things. This group needs to win several SB's over the next several years to live up to expectations. So far they are a combined 1-2 in the Super Bowl.

Edited January 15, 2023 by SCO96

[Bear Hands]

Meanwhile EVERY single AFC QB is a 1st rounder lol.  

The AFC has simply been selecting all the QBs in recent years.  Naturally, what happens would be the NFC didn't get those guys.   

Trevor, Burrow, *Tua, Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, *Lamar, 

NFC is about to be a QB wasteland, best be the team to get ahead of it and find a good one, right?

[CPantherKing]

5 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

This isn't football related, but your post made me think of the LA Lakers. This team hardly ever wins championships with the centers they draft.

Since the 1960's I think they've only drafted one Center who who a focal point on their championship team. The team acquired Wilt Chamberlain in the late 60's and won a title in 1972. They got Kareem from Milwaukee in the 1970s and went on to win 5 titles in the 80's. The traded for Shaq and he teamed with Kobe to win 3 titles. They drafted Andrew Bynum who was pivotal in helping Kobe win his last two titles with the Lakers. The team won their last title in 2020 when they traded for Anthony Davis to help Lebron win his 4th title.

I wish it were that easy to acquire championship caliber QB's thru trades in the NFL. 

 

Since modern free agency Roethlisberger and E.Manning are the only championship QBs that have been unavailable to the Panthers. They could of had any of the other QBs.

Of 34 championship QBs in NFL history only 11 have not been traded or let go from the team that held their rights as a rookie. I believe Rodgers and Mahomes will be taken off of this list before their career is over. The trades and signings are out there and available most of the time. It's up to the Panthers to know how to find a QB and pay the price.

[SCO96]

7 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Since modern free agency Roethlisberger and E.Manning are the only championship QBs that have been unavailable to the Panthers. They could of had any of the other QBs.

Of 34 championship QBs in NFL history only 11 have not been traded or let go from the team that held their rights as a rookie. I believe Rodgers and Mahomes will be taken off of this list before their career is over. The trades and signings are out there and available most of the time. It's up to the Panthers to know how to find a QB and pay the price.

That sir is an interesting piece of information. Any chance you could list those guys for an enquiring mind?

[Shocker]

So is someone really saying we should not look at a first round QB cuz some teams don’t have one?  Seems silly

[NanuqoftheNorth]

3 hours ago, SCO96 said:

Players taken later in the draft can provide  competent QB play if the team is well constructed and well coached.

This, but only if the team is well constructed and well coached.  

Simple to say, but hard to do.

The ball is in Tepper's court, don't mess it up (again) big guy.

[CPantherKing]

3 hours ago, SCO96 said:

That sir is an interesting piece of information. Any chance you could list those guys for an enquiring mind?

Starr, Griese, Staubach, Bradshaw, Simms, Aikman, Elway, Roethlisberger, and E.Manning.

Rodgers and Mahomes too, but I don't see them finishing their career with the team they started with if they only manage 1 SB win.