Only one playoff team in the NFC had/has a 1st round draft choice at QB.

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

Your first paragraph actually galvanizes my point.
 

If the eagles were already a good team and they continue to do well with a QB drafted outside of the 1st then technically they didn’t need a first round QB to be successful. 

 

Carson Wentz, a first round QB, hasn’t exactly been elite. The Eagles had a tremendous offense in 2022 without him. 
 

I never suggested needing to buy another team’s QB, nor did I advise against drafting a 1st round QB. I said we shouldn’t reach for one in the top 5. 

The Eagles won a Super Bowl without Carson Wentz while using a backup.

He’s fallen off the radar these days, but Nick Foles had a nice run down the stretch to lead them over Brady and Belichek. Pederson’s scheme and that team in general was tailor made for Foles, who always played well in Philly for some reason but not nearly as good elsewhere.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

OP, just say you don't want Young or Stroud. It saves us a lot of time.

[pantherj]

We take later round QBs here and there. We have a later round QB already on the roster. We draft later round QBs, and we will continue to do so in the future. Do you want another later round QB to add to Corral? It might happen, but remember Fitt is our GM. He knows QBs like Cardi B knows quantum physics.

Round 4 - Chis Winkie

Round 5 - Randy Fasani

Round 4 - Stefan Lefors

Round 6 - Tony Pike

 

Round 2 - Jimmy Clausen

 

Round 3 - Will Grier

 

Round 3 - Matt Crral

Edited January 15, 2023 by pantherj

[Varking]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

Your first paragraph actually galvanizes my point.
 

If the eagles were already a good team and they continue to do well with a QB drafted outside of the 1st then technically they didn’t need a first round QB to be successful. 

 

Carson Wentz, a first round QB, hasn’t exactly been elite. The Eagles had a tremendous offense in 2022 without him. 
 

I never suggested needing to buy another team’s QB, nor did I advise against drafting a 1st round QB. I said we shouldn’t reach for one in the top 5. 

Carson Wentz was elite before injury. When you already have the luxury of being a great team you can afford luxury picks. When you suck like the Panthers do we need to get good at specific positions. We haven’t been good at the QB spot since we scouted and drafted one in the first round. If there are four QBs in the upcoming draft that are projected to go top 10, then none of them are reaches if you move up slightly to go get one.

Again Carson Wentz before injury had better passing numbers than MVP Cam Newton in 2015. And Cam had elite passing stats that year. But Wentz missed three games. 
 

Our strategy has been don’t move up, let the QBs fall to us and then we don’t pick them until mid third or later and they turn out pretty trash. 
 

 

[WarHeel]

9 minutes ago, Varking said:

Carson Wentz was elite before injury. When you already have the luxury of being a great team you can afford luxury picks. When you suck like the Panthers do we need to get good at specific positions. We haven’t been good at the QB spot since we scouted and drafted one in the first round. If there are four QBs in the upcoming draft that are projected to go top 10, then none of them are reaches if you move up slightly to go get one.

Again Carson Wentz before injury had better passing numbers than MVP Cam Newton in 2015. And Cam had elite passing stats that year. But Wentz missed three games. 
 

Our strategy has been don’t move up, let the QBs fall to us and then we don’t pick them until mid third or later and they turn out pretty trash. 
 

 

If there are 4 QBs projected in the top 10 and you are sitting at pick 8 and elect to trade up for one of them then that is the definition of a reach. No way in hell that all 4 go in the first 7 picks, especially when the 1st pick just drafted their franchise guy the year before.

[SCO96]

4 minutes ago, pantherj said:

We take later round QBs here and there. We have a later round QB already on the roster. We we draft later round QBs, and we will continue to do so in the future. Do you want another later round QB to add to Corral? It might happen, but remember Fitt is our GM. He knows QBs like Cardi B knows quantum physics.

Round 4 - Chis Winkie

Round 5 - Randy Fasani

Round 4 - Stefan Lefors

Round 6 - Tony Pike

 

Round 2 - Jimmy Clausen

 

Round 3 - Will Grier

 

Round 3 - Matt Crral

Your point is valid to a point. But you have to also consider the following points.

1) We didn’t exactly have a genius holding down the GM spot when those guys were drafted. Hurney signed two running backs to max deals in a passing league. He would trade away first round picks to move up in later rounds. Marty wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer when it came to building a competitive roster.

2) We’ve never had an offensive head coach in our 27 year history. Some of those guys may have had panned out with solid coaching, or may not have been drafted in the first place because a good coach may have realized that they just didn’t have it.

[pantherj]

1 hour ago, SCO96 said:

Your point is valid to a point. But you have to also consider the following points.

1) We didn’t exactly have a genius holding down the GM spot when those guys were drafted. Hurney signed two running backs to max deals in a passing league. He would trade away first round picks to move up in later rounds. Marty wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer when it came to building a competitive roster.

2) We’ve never had an offensive head coach in our 27 year history. Some of those guys may have had panned out with solid coaching, or may not have been drafted in the first place because a good coach may have realized that they just didn’t have it.

1.) Marty Hurney drafted Cam Newton, and wanted to draft Justin Herbert. He wasn't exactly an idiot GM either. Almost all your all time favorite Panthers are Hurney guys. Having said that, Hurney was overall an ineffective GM and that certainly factors into the poor QB selections in later rounds.

2.) At this point all I want more than anything is an offensive guru at our HC position. Even if that means digging up Sean Payton. I never want another defensive minded HC again. Period.

My post wasn't to say that we should stop drafting later round QBs. It was more to show my lack of confidence in Fitt.

Edited January 15, 2023 by pantherj

[Varking]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

If there are 4 QBs projected in the top 10 and you are sitting at pick 8 and elect to trade up for one of them then that is the definition of a reach. No way in hell that all 4 go in the first 7 picks, especially when the 1st pick just drafted their franchise guy the year before.

Bears are going defense or trade back. Colts have said they are going QB. Are the Texans? Sorry, I disagree that moving up a few spots is reaching. 

[WarHeel]

40 minutes ago, Varking said:

Bears are going defense or trade back. Colts have said they are going QB. Are the Texans? Sorry, I disagree that moving up a few spots is reaching. 

I think its definition rests with what we have to offer. Before the CMC trade we had nothing. We still have little after the trade and we have several positions of need including TE, RB, O line depth, pass rusher to compliment Burns, WR1-2,  etc.

 

Don’t think it’s a good move.

Edited January 15, 2023 by WarHeel

[Varking]

1 minute ago, WarHeel said:

I think its definition rests with what we have to offer. Before the CMC trade we had nothing. We still have little after the trade and we have several positions of need including TE, RB, O line depth, pass rusher to component Burns, WR1-2,  etc.

 

Don’t think it’s a good move.

I can agree that it’s a matter of what is given up to move up. And we do need some talent but we aren’t far off from a playoff team with proper coaching. But good chat, friend. 

[WarHeel]

4 minutes ago, Varking said:

I can agree that it’s a matter of what is given up to move up. And we do need some talent but we aren’t far off from a playoff team with proper coaching. But good chat, friend. 

I also concur we aren’t far from a playoff push. QB and HC are top priorities for sure. Hope they can make it work where we still have enough assets to fill some other positions.

 

Likewise, sir.

[Varking]

22 hours ago, SCO96 said:

Take a look at this:

1) Eagles (Jalen Hurts, 2nd round)

2) 49ers (Jimmy G (3rd), Brock Purdy, (6th round and Mr. Irrelevan) combined to win 10 games in a row, and todays' playoff win)

3) Vikings (Kurt Cousins, 4th round)

4) Bucs (Tom Brady, 6th round)

5) Cowboys (Dak Prescott ,4th round)

6) Giants (Daniel Jones, 1st round)

7) Seahawks (Gino Smith, 2nd round)

 

If you could pick any of those guys based on their 2022 season,  who would be the last QB on your list most wanted list?

More than likely Daniel Jones, the only QB taken in the 1st round. I don't say that to disrespect Jones. Under Daboll he's actually showing signs of becoming a solid starter in the NFL. What this does show is that a QB taken in the 1st round isn't  guaranteed to outperform a QB taken later in the draft. You don't have to reach for a questionable QB in the top 5/top 10.  Players taken later in the draft can provide  competent QB play if the team is well constructed and well coached.

We had two QB's on our roster that were drafted in the top 5 of the 2018 draft to begin the 2022 season and we see how that turned out.

 

Daniel Jones plays lights out and beats one of the best teams in the playoffs while mid round Cousins throws a pass 3 yards on 4th and 8. 

[Basbear]

5 hours ago, Varking said:

Bears are going defense or trade back. Colts have said they are going QB. Are the Texans? Sorry, I disagree that moving up a few spots is reaching. 

-{shakes magic 8 ball}- right now I believe the bears will trade the #1 to the highest bidder(seen some texans stuff). Id say around 62.71% chance. Then that team will draft a QB. 

texans will follow with a QB.

Run is on.

Plus right now I feel; levis could be one of those picks. Got the same odds as the other big two. Not that I agree, just what the 8 ball is saying.

So 3 will be gone very very soon, 1-3 is not out of the realm more than likely 1-5.

So thats leaving your guy AR. {shakes the 8 ball} whom I think will show up to the combine and leave as the Human Torch. Hes now locked into the top 8 and given 5+/- teams need/want QBs....one team will buy the combine hype and either move up or turn in a top 8 card with his name on it. 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Basbear

[Basbear]

On 1/15/2023 at 8:13 PM, Basbear said:

-{shakes magic 8 ball}- right now I believe the bears will trade the #1 to the highest bidder(seen some texans stuff). Id say around 62.71% chance. Then that team will draft a QB. 

texans will follow with a QB.

Run is on.

Plus right now I feel; levis could be one of those picks. Got the same odds as the other big two. Not that I agree, just what the 8 ball is saying.

So 3 will be gone very very soon, 1-3 is not out of the realm more than likely 1-5.

So thats leaving your guy AR. {shakes the 8 ball} whom I think will show up to the combine and leave as the Human Torch. Hes now locked into the top 8 and given 5+/- teams need/want QBs....one team will buy the combine hype and either move up or turn in a top 8 card with his name on it.