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What if Stroud doesn’t declare for draft…

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7 hours ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

If he stays in school, he'll still go top 5 next season. It makes no sense to think otherwise. It also makes no sense for him to want an extra 5 mil (NIL) now before getting his NFL money the following year, as when you're making big NFL money, 5 mil is nothing. So if he doesn't declare it's for only two reasons IMHO: he doesn't want to play for the Texans, or he actually likes college life and wants to do it for one more year.

Sam Howell and Spencer Rattler were considered top picks before their last seasons (yeah Rattler is still in college, but his value has dropped like crazy). Jake Locker was considered the top pick as well. Van Dyke in Miami looked like the real deal before this past season. One season can change a lot. It’s probably more rare for a QB with a loaded roster like OSU to drop, but it can happen. A major injury for example could do it.

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40 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Sam Howell and Spencer Rattler were considered top picks before their last seasons (yeah Rattler is still in college, but his value has dropped like crazy). Jake Locker was considered the top pick as well. Van Dyke in Miami looked like the real deal before this past season. One season can change a lot. It’s probably more rare for a QB with a loaded roster like OSU to drop, but it can happen. A major injury for example could do it.

Locker was the 8th overall pick. 

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7 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Locker was the 8th overall pick. 

He was also projected to go 1-2 in 2010 with Bradford. 
 

  Bradford got 6yrs/78M in 2010.

 Locker got 4 yr/12M in 2011

Add in players like Matt Barkley and Ryan Mallet who went from top 5 to 3-4th rounders and coming back when you’re already as high as you will get is ignorant. 

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1 hour ago, Varking said:

His family is a very religious family. He has until 4 PM today to declare. Folks are saying most OSU players typically declare on the final day and it’s a school thing. 

Literally all but one other guy of the draft eligible OSU players in the top 250 prospects have declared.  Did you mean just the top guy?

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1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Sam Howell and Spencer Rattler were considered top picks before their last seasons (yeah Rattler is still in college, but his value has dropped like crazy). Jake Locker was considered the top pick as well. Van Dyke in Miami looked like the real deal before this past season. One season can change a lot. It’s probably more rare for a QB with a loaded roster like OSU to drop, but it can happen. A major injury for example could do it.

Yeah, it's a huge risk. But I don't see the same situation for Stroud. He isn't a head case like Rattler and he isn't losing all of his supporting weapons like Howell. Howell's situation was honestly just a failure of NFL talent evaluators. I have no idea how they could watch him in his final season and think any less of him. You'd already seen him operate almost exclusively as a passer for two years. All that third year showed is that holy poo this guy can really run too, we didn't know that. 

If Stroud comes back, I think injury is by far and away the biggest risk he's taking. I'm just he could get OSU boosters to pickup the tab on that insurance policy.

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13 hours ago, Tbe said:

The guy is guaranteed to go in the first. So it’s $5 mil to stay or 10-30 mil to get drafted.

 

The guy can chase a Natty and get paid via NIL and STILL get the $10M-$30M in the 2024 draft.  That's the dynamic NIL has brought about.  Not to mention the sponsorships like cars, clothing etc...  It really brings the BMOC meaning to full fruition.  I"m sure Stroud is not thinking somehow he's dropping to a 2nd rounder--or lower, just because he stays in school.  

He probably will declare today, but I wouldn't be shocked one bit if he stayed.  Personally, I hope he does.  I want no part of this QB class--more precisely, what will be available to us when we pick.  Stroud staying means Levis will be gone and *hopefully* AR too by pick #9.

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6 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

The guy can chase a Natty and get paid via NIL and STILL get the $10M-$30M in the 2024 draft.  That's the dynamic NIL has brought about.  Not to mention the sponsorships like cars, clothing etc...  It really brings the BMOC meaning to full fruition.  I"m sure Stroud is not thinking somehow he's dropping to a 2nd rounder--or lower, just because he stays in school.  

He probably will declare today, but I wouldn't be shocked one bit if he stayed.  Personally, I hope he does.  I want no part of this QB class--more precisely, what will be available to us when we pick.  Stroud staying means Levis will be gone and *hopefully* AR too by pick #9.

Yeah, quite a bit of this stuff had always happened behind the scenes but now it can all happen out in the open.

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1 hour ago, Toomers said:

He was also projected to go 1-2 in 2010 with Bradford. 
 

  Bradford got 6yrs/78M in 2010.

 Locker got 4 yr/12M in 2011

Add in players like Matt Barkley and Ryan Mallet who went from top 5 to 3-4th rounders and coming back when you’re already as high as you will get is ignorant. 

To be fair, Bradford was the last year before the Player's Association negotiated and adjusted rookie salary scale. 

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1 hour ago, Toomers said:

He was also projected to go 1-2 in 2010 with Bradford. 
 

  Bradford got 6yrs/78M in 2010.

 Locker got 4 yr/12M in 2011

Add in players like Matt Barkley and Ryan Mallet who went from top 5 to 3-4th rounders and coming back when you’re already as high as you will get is ignorant. 

2011 is when the rookie pay scale went in. That's part of the reason for the discrepancy.

Locker's agent probably should have known that the rookie pay scale was gaining momentum and advised Locker to go in 2010.

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32 minutes ago, trueblade said:

2011 is when the rookie pay scale went in. That's part of the reason for the discrepancy.

Locker's agent probably should have known that the rookie pay scale was gaining momentum and advised Locker to go in 2010.

 

32 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

To be fair, Bradford was the last year before the Player's Association negotiated and adjusted rookie salary scale. 

I’m well aware of the year it was. Just as Locker or any player knew that top pick pay was a huge issue in the CBA. He made a mistake. Even today it would be a 20M drop. You don’t take 5M to put 40M at risk. 
 

  Who stayed and benefitted from it? 

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