WRs

[ncfan]

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by ncfan

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On 1/13/2023 at 12:24 PM, *FreeFua* said:

Route running is everything and Smith-Njigba will put guys in a blender while running a 5 yard out 

Moore, Smith-Njigba and Marshall give you 3 guys with different skill sets

Separation is top trait for a WR for me and speed and route running get you there. Despite Ginn's maddening drops I still loved him (somehow) because he always got so open. Addison and JSN have to be the top 2 in the class for me.

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On 1/13/2023 at 1:52 PM, ncfan said:

Jarrett also was a composite 5* coming out of HS

https://247sports.com/Player/Rakim-Jarrett-46039172/high-school-190305/

 

Diggs best season in college he has 848 yards and 6 TDs 

Jarretts was 829 yards and 5 TDs

Diggs also had like 1900 all purpose yards that season. I personally don't see the same type of athlete/WR when watching them in college but what do I know.

Can't remember if I've mentioned him elsewhere but I'll throw out another name I like in the probably the 3rd or 4th round range and that's Houston's Tank Dell.  Slight and fast (not a burner) but so quick and great at getting separation with his route running. If he can add maybe 20 pounds and keep that quickness could be a great weapon in the slot

Edited January 25, 2023 by Untouchable

[ncfan]

 

[Bear Hands]

Yeah the order of who goes in this draft WR could end up surprising some.  I could see Zay going as high as WR2 depending on how things shake out.  I'm personally quite high on a few but think it's going to be a class where you have more than a few success stories but it's scattered throughout.

Beyond Addison, S-N, & Johnston (And I think the latter two may slip), I think the studs come from this group:

 Josh Downs, Zay Flowers, Rashee Rice, Nathaniel Dell, Andrei Iosivas

I want one of them.

 

[Shocker]

3 hours ago, ncfan said:

 

Todd, Todd, Todd….Todd

Kiper has him as his #1.  I agree for once

Edited February 4, 2023 by Shocker

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Michigan State's Jayden Reed and Stanford's Michael Wilson have both been showing out all week at the senior bowl too. I've seen a couple people say they were the best WRs in Mobile.

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54 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Michigan State's Jayden Reed and Stanford's Michael Wilson have both been showing out all week at the senior bowl too. I've seen a couple people say they were the best WRs in Mobile.

Wilson really impressed.  For sure.

 

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[Shocker]

On 2/11/2023 at 7:27 AM, ncfan said:

 

I wish someone would do a WR podcast with Steve,  would be interesting.

Jaxon Smith-Nijgba is going to be a superstar in the league.  Wouldn’t mind him at #9

Zay is also a player.  Mel Kiper mentioned if he was the first WR taken it would not surprise anyone 

Edited February 16, 2023 by Shocker

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On 2/4/2023 at 9:25 AM, Bear Hands said:

Yeah the order of who goes in this draft WR could end up surprising some.  I could see Zay going as high as WR2 depending on how things shake out.  I'm personally quite high on a few but think it's going to be a class where you have more than a few success stories but it's scattered throughout.

Beyond Addison, S-N, & Johnston (And I think the latter two may slip), I think the studs come from this group:

 Josh Downs, Zay Flowers, Rashee Rice, Nathaniel Dell, Andrei Iosivas

I want one of them.

 

Everyone here knows I'm a huge UNC fan.

Here are my concerns with Downs in terms of translating to the NFL:

1. He's going to be viewed as a slot only in the NFL. That really hurts his value. He did the majority of his damage in college in the slot. 

2. Slight frame and injury prone. He didn't miss many games in college but he was often being hindered by nagging injuries. Hopefully that doesn't follow him to the NFL but it bears consideration.

3. Propensity to give up yards to try to gain yards. He'll run backwards after the catch quite often to try to gain space to make a move to beat guys to pickup YAC. It worked out more often than not at the college level but it may be a habit he'll need to break in the NFL.

4. Virtually no reps against press coverage. Everyone at the college level was afraid of getting beat deep in large part because Downs played with excellent deep ball throwing QBs so very few teams got up in his face and tried to press him. Given his small size I don't know how well he'd deal with it.

I think he has the makings of a potentially very good NFL slot WR, but those guys generally max out at 2nd round value and are often to be had in the 3rd. That's why the potential 1st round talk kinda baffles me. He'd need some really jaw dropping workout measurables to make that happen IMO.

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10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everyone here knows I'm a huge UNC fan.

Here are my concerns with Downs in terms of translating to the NFL:

1. He's going to be viewed as a slot only in the NFL. That really hurts his value. He did the majority of his damage in college in the slot. 

2. Slight frame and injury prone. He didn't miss many games in college but he was often being hindered by nagging injuries. Hopefully that doesn't follow him to the NFL but it bears consideration.

3. Propensity to give up yards to try to gain yards. He'll run backwards after the catch quite often to try to gain space to make a move to beat guys to pickup YAC. It worked out more often than not at the college level but it may be a habit he'll need to break in the NFL.

4. Virtually no reps against press coverage. Everyone at the college level was afraid of getting beat deep in large part because Downs played with excellent deep ball throwing QBs so very few teams got up in his face and tried to press him. Given his small size I don't know how well he'd deal with it.

I think he has the makings of a potentially very good NFL slot WR, but those guys generally max out at 2nd round value and are often to be had in the 3rd. That's why the potential 1st round talk kinda baffles me. He'd need some really jaw dropping workout measurables to make that happen IMO.

Yeah he’s definitely got the talent but he has some limitations—will make it hard to battle against a lot of the better outside CBs. Perfect for a system that clears space in the middle of the field as a higher volume slot guy.

Could surprise but I personally only see 3-4 WRs R1, and it’s Addison, Zay, S-N & Johnston. 

Downs and Dell are in the next tier. Some limitations but will be impactful and depending on the scheme, really damn good.

Rice and Iosivas both seem super interesting.

Not the best class but I think there’s really good prospects scattered throughout.

Quentin and Hyatt make me the most nervous for the higher picks.

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5 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Perfect for a system that clears space in the middle of the field as a higher volume slot guy.

 

This is exactly what he needs. He needs to go to a team running a spread offense, ideally employing a lot of option routes. Just give him the room to work and play off the looks the D gives him. That's when he's at his best.

I honestly think his draft value is going to vary significantly from team to team based on their offensive systems. In the right system, he's a very intriguing prospect. But if you're not running that type of system he's a lot harder of a prospect to try to translate IMO.

Downs is one to watch for us if we sign Derek Carr. IMO, Downs is a potentially better version of Hunter Renfrow.

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Brugler's rankings are interesting (and he usually has scout intel).  As many TEs as WRs in the top 30:

https://theathletic.com/4185491/2023/02/14/nfl-draft-2023-top-100-players-dane-brugler/

20. Jordan Addison WR

22. Jalin Hyatt WR

24. Michael Mayer TE

25. Quentin Johnston WR

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A freaky athlete for his size, Quentin Johnston has a unique combination of speed, strength and tracking skills. He is raw at the top of routes and drops too many should-be completions, but Johnston can break tackles and offers the most upside of any receiver prospect in this class.

26. Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR

27. Luke Musgrave TE

29. Darnell Washington TE

30. Dalton Kincaid TE