Under No Circumstances Should We Trade a Haul for a QB/Pick

[Brooklyn 3.0]

We had our chance to have the extra picks to do this. We didn't go for it. Now it's too late.

[Randolph Panther]

21 hours ago, PappyMay said:

I don’t want to trade the farm, but If we could get Stroud or Young for this years 1st and 2nd and next years first I could get on board. Anymore and I’d be apprehensive. 

Agreed with this. Might throw in one 3 rounder. 

[CBDellinger]

17 minutes ago, Randolph Panther said:

Agreed with this. Might throw in one 3 rounder. 

Trade the cmc picks plus our first.  

[Smithers]

With some mocks saying Hooker could be had in the 3rd, we’d be dumb not to pull the trigger on him with our late 2nd rounder.  

[frankw]

2 hours ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

We had our chance to have the extra picks to do this. We didn't go for it. Now it's too late.

We also had our chance to not need any extra picks to move up. Typical Panthers.

[Wundrbread33]

Keep in mind that you having this opinion will be labeled as the “cause” if we don’t trade up for a QB. 

 

That’s BigKat logic at least. 

[Shocker]

The more I think about this situation I think if Young and Stroud go Top 5 we should just sit tight and take Richardson at 9.  He has upside and although I hate taking a college QB with 54% comp percentage he does bring a lot of upside.

If he interviews well and shows the needed desire to really improve his passing he could be a star.  We will probably have to wait on him though or watch him throws lots of INTs early on

Edited January 11, 2023 by Shocker

[carpanfan96]

37 minutes ago, Shocker said:

The more I think about this situation I think if Young and Stroud go Top 5 we should just sit tight and take Richardson at 9.  He has upside and although I hate taking a college QB with 54% comp percentage he does bring a lot of upside.

If he interviews well and shows the needed desire to really improve his passing he could be a star.  We will probably have to wait on him though or watch him throws lots of INTs early on

Could possibly have a Josh Allen trajectory.  Bad first two years getting acclimated to the NFL and then boom

[USDepartmentOfSavagery]

The problem with this line of thinking is we’re going to be in the exact same spot next year. We’re going to go something like 6-11 or 8-9 and not be in a position to draft a potential franchise QB. You do whatever you have to do if you think a franchise QB is there. Period. 

[onmyown]

Herbert…should’ve offered more for him.

Next thread up, Panthers haven’t traded to draft a QB since Cam left and how that has worked so far.

Seriously. We know a worthwhile FA isn’t coming here. We also know this team won’t tank properly. 

Soooooo what do you propose exactly? Keep sifting through trash?

I said the day Tepper took over and Cam left this franchise won’t turn around until it started taking chances at DRAFTING a QB and I stand by it.

I’d rather take the chance.

Edited January 11, 2023 by onmyown

[heel31ok]

On 1/9/2023 at 9:35 PM, tukafan21 said:

Has anyone ever actually looked back on those trades? 

They NEVER work out for that team, if they occasionally did it wouldn't be a terrible idea to try, but they just don't ever work out.  Two reasons for it, the first being that you give up way too many assets that are needed to build up a bad team and the second is because it's usually not for a sure fire stud prospect, or else the team with the pick would just take them and trade their current QB.

The closest to ever working out would be Stafford last year, and that haul was really more to take back Goff's contract as it was for Stafford.  Plus, without them winning the SB that would be a really bad looking deal right now considering the current state of the Rams and that top draft pick now going to the Lions.

Here's the ones that I can remember off the top of my head from at least recent memory.....

Russel Wilson - Not looking great so far

Deshawn Watson - Not looking great so far

Trey Lance - Not looking great so far

Goff - Sure, they got to a SB with him, but he clearly wasn't the reason why, the best thing he did for them was get them the QB who did win them a SB

Wentz - Sure, they got a SB a couple years later when he was playing like an MVP, but he didn't actually win them the SB and then crapped out right after

RG3 - Maybe it works if he doesn't get hurt at the end of his rookie year, but his body/style of play was never going to hold up in the NFL anyways

Trubisky - Clearly did not work at all

Darnold - best thing he did for the Jets was fleecing us in a trade for him

The only outlier to this where it worked out would be Mahomes, but even at that, I'm not sure giving up a 3rd rounder and a single future 1st rounder to move from 27th to 10th is really giving up a haul for that pick anyways.

Yes, I know we clearly need to fix the QB problem, but doing it this way just never works, we need to find the right free agent or cheaper trade (like Carr maybe), or stand pat and hope to strike gold with our own pick or a minimal trade to move up to get one we like.  

 

Correct, we should not this draft.

[ForJimmy]

9 hours ago, onmyown said:

Herbert…should’ve offered more for him.

Next thread up, Panthers haven’t traded to draft a QB since Cam left and how that has worked so far.

Seriously. We know a worthwhile FA isn’t coming here. We also know this team won’t tank properly. 

Soooooo what do you propose exactly? Keep sifting through trash?

I said the day Tepper took over and Cam left this franchise won’t turn around until it started taking chances at DRAFTING a QB and I stand by it.

I’d rather take the chance.

That's a fair point and simply making this roster better by adding Mayer/DE/WR with our top top plus filling other needs in the following rounds will probably just leave us picking even later next season and cost a lot more to move up and draft a QB.  

I'm pretty sure one of the big 4 (Young, Stroud, Levis, AR) will be there at 9, if they start going quicker then try to trade up and draft one.  If that picks busts try it again in a year or two.  

[flagfootballcoach28]

20 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

I'd rather have Justin Fields than any QB in this draft other than CJ Stroud. 

Fields can't keep relying on his legs his entire career. He has yet to develop as a passer 

[TheMaulClaw]

On 1/9/2023 at 9:35 PM, tukafan21 said:

Has anyone ever actually looked back on those trades? 

They NEVER work out for that team, if they occasionally did it wouldn't be a terrible idea to try, but they just don't ever work out.  Two reasons for it, the first being that you give up way too many assets that are needed to build up a bad team and the second is because it's usually not for a sure fire stud prospect, or else the team with the pick would just take them and trade their current QB.

The closest to ever working out would be Stafford last year, and that haul was really more to take back Goff's contract as it was for Stafford.  Plus, without them winning the SB that would be a really bad looking deal right now considering the current state of the Rams and that top draft pick now going to the Lions.

Here's the ones that I can remember off the top of my head from at least recent memory.....

Russel Wilson - Not looking great so far

Deshawn Watson - Not looking great so far

Trey Lance - Not looking great so far

Goff - Sure, they got to a SB with him, but he clearly wasn't the reason why, the best thing he did for them was get them the QB who did win them a SB

Wentz - Sure, they got a SB a couple years later when he was playing like an MVP, but he didn't actually win them the SB and then crapped out right after

RG3 - Maybe it works if he doesn't get hurt at the end of his rookie year, but his body/style of play was never going to hold up in the NFL anyways

Trubisky - Clearly did not work at all

Darnold - best thing he did for the Jets was fleecing us in a trade for him

The only outlier to this where it worked out would be Mahomes, but even at that, I'm not sure giving up a 3rd rounder and a single future 1st rounder to move from 27th to 10th is really giving up a haul for that pick anyways.

Yes, I know we clearly need to fix the QB problem, but doing it this way just never works, we need to find the right free agent or cheaper trade (like Carr maybe), or stand pat and hope to strike gold with our own pick or a minimal trade to move up to get one we like.  

 

Goff has never won a SB.