Sam Darnold had the 13th worst QB win in NFL history if we measured passer rating

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, glenwo2 said:

Nah.  He's not being brought back.

mav said so, so that's that. 

So what else is on TV?  *click*

Eh, why bother? We know what we're getting, even at it's best.  he probably has a better shot himself elsewhere of earning a starting gig, and for us, he'd know he really isn't gonna have a shot at anything long term even if we do bring him back.

Also I clearly said it was my opinion/what I wanted, not what I predict the team will do. I'm not stupid enough to try to predict what NFL people do, lol

[glenwo2]

4 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

lol that people actually fell for darnolds decent start once again

way more "decent" than last year, though. 

He didn't have CMC as a crutch this time.

And took better care of the football (aside from this past game where nothing was on the line except winning the final game of a season).

eh. 

I look at it as 4-2 as a BACKUP which isn't bad. 

 

Edited January 9, 2023 by glenwo2

[Gerry Green]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

If Darnold had even had something close to a decent game yesterday I'd be more on board with that, but man, I just don't see the point. There are going to be other backups that have higher ceilings, lots of journeyman vets that could start the entire year without looking like garbage while AR or Levis develops behind them, etc.

 

Have you seen the list of available QBs for next year? It's slim pickings.

[ECHornet]

 

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

If Darnold had even had something close to a decent game yesterday I'd be more on board with that, but man, I just don't see the point. There are going to be other backups that have higher ceilings, lots of journeyman vets that could start the entire year without looking like garbage while AR or Levis develops behind them, etc.

Please name a few of the backup QBs with higher ceilings than 25 y.o. Darnold. I can't think of many.

[glenwo2]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

Eh, why bother? We know what we're getting, even at it's best.  he probably has a better shot himself elsewhere of earning a starting gig, and for us, he'd know he really isn't gonna have a shot at anything long term even if we do bring him back.

Also I clearly said it was my opinion/what I wanted, not what I predict the team will do. I'm not stupid enough to try to predict what NFL people do, lol

I'm kind of "worried" when Fitts said he was "going for it" in his presser.

I hope he doesn't make stupid decisions.

And I hope we hire the RIGHT coach this time.

[45catfan]

Sam went 4-2 without many weapons.  Fitterer even said as much in his press conference that this team need to beef up on the offensive skill positions.

[djp14]

1 minute ago, Gerry Green said:

 

Have you seen the list of available QBs for next year? It's slim pickings.

• Tom Brady (45), Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $15 million – UFA
• Baker Mayfield (27), Los Angeles Rams: $8.1 million – UFA
• Sam Darnold (25), Carolina Panthers: $7.5 million – UFA
• Jimmy Garoppolo (31), San Francisco 49ers: $7 million – UFA
• Teddy Bridgewater (30), Miami Dolphins: $6.5 million – UFA
• Daniel Jones (25), New York Giants: $6.4 million – UFA
• Case Keenum (34), Buffalo Bills: $6 million – UFA
• Mason Rudolph (27), Pittsburgh Steelers: $5.08 million – UFA
• Jacoby Brissett (30), Cleveland Browns: $4.6 million – UFA
• Geno Smith (32), Seattle Seahawks: $3.5 million – UFA
• Joe Flacco (37), New York Jets: $3.5 million – UFA
• Andy Dalton (35), New Orleans Saints: $3 million – UFA
• Mike White (27), New York Jets: $2.5 million – UFA
• C.J. Beathard (29), Jacksonville Jaguars: $2.5 million – UFA
• Kyle Allen (26), Houston Texans: $2.5 million – UFA
• Taylor Heinicke (29), Washington Commanders: $2.3 million – UFA
• Lamar Jackson (25), Baltimore Ravens: $2.3 million – UFA
• Blaine Gabbert (33), Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $2.2 million – UFA
• Chase Daniel (36), Los Angeles Chargers: $2 million – UFA
• Chad Henne (37), Kansas City Chiefs: $2 million – UFA
• Nick Mullens (27), Minnesota Vikings: $2 million – UFA
• Drew Lock (26), Seattle Seahawks: $1.7 million – UFA
• Brandon Allen (30), Cincinnati Bengals: $1.5 million – UFA
• Josh Johnson (36), San Francisco 49ers: $1.1 million – UFA
• Nate Sudfeld (29), Detroit Lions: $1.03 million – UFA
• Nathan Peterman (28), Chicago Bears: $1.03 million – UFA
• Cooper Rush (29), Dallas Cowboys: $977,500 – UFA
• Brett Rypien (26), Denver Broncos: $965,000 – UFA
• Trace McSorley (27), Arizona Cardinals: $850,000 – UFA
• Jarrett Stidham (26), Las Vegas Raiders: $788,423 – UFA
• Bryce Perkins (25), Los Angeles Rams: $742,500 – ERFA
• Easton Stick (27), Los Angeles Chargers: $699,391 – UFA
• Gardner Minshew (26), Philadelphia Eagles: $677,721 – UFA

[mav1234]

2 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

 

Please name a few of the backup QBs with higher ceilings than 25 y.o. Darnold. I can't think of many.

Here's a few that either were or will be available as FAs and likely have a future as a backup or bridge QB (not all are available, but point remains)

Gardner Minshew

Mitch Trubisky

Teddy motherfuging Bridgewater LOL

Mike White

Andy Dalton

Jacoby Brissett

Then current starters that were backups/likely will be backups :

Taylor Heinicke

Daniel Jones

Then we've got the starters-as-bridges, like Jimmy G...

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/?ref=trending-pages

The reality is, Darnold has put together a downright atrocious career his first four years. He had a "meh" but fine year this year as a backup. 

[mav1234]

8 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

Have you seen the list of available QBs for next year? It's slim pickings.

There's a dozen free agents that are better than Sam available as a temporary or (shudder) long term solution.

Edited January 9, 2023 by mav1234

[glenwo2]

2 minutes ago, djp14 said:

• Tom Brady (45), Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $15 million – UFA
• Baker Mayfield (27), Los Angeles Rams: $8.1 million – UFA
• Sam Darnold (25), Carolina Panthers: $7.5 million – UFA
• Jimmy Garoppolo (31), San Francisco 49ers: $7 million – UFA
• Teddy Bridgewater (30), Miami Dolphins: $6.5 million – UFA
• Daniel Jones (25), New York Giants: $6.4 million – UFA
• Case Keenum (34), Buffalo Bills: $6 million – UFA
• Mason Rudolph (27), Pittsburgh Steelers: $5.08 million – UFA
• Jacoby Brissett (30), Cleveland Browns: $4.6 million – UFA
• Geno Smith (32), Seattle Seahawks: $3.5 million – UFA
• Joe Flacco (37), New York Jets: $3.5 million – UFA
• Andy Dalton (35), New Orleans Saints: $3 million – UFA
• Mike White (27), New York Jets: $2.5 million – UFA
• C.J. Beathard (29), Jacksonville Jaguars: $2.5 million – UFA
• Kyle Allen (26), Houston Texans: $2.5 million – UFA
• Taylor Heinicke (29), Washington Commanders: $2.3 million – UFA
• Lamar Jackson (25), Baltimore Ravens: $2.3 million – UFA
• Blaine Gabbert (33), Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $2.2 million – UFA
• Chase Daniel (36), Los Angeles Chargers: $2 million – UFA
• Chad Henne (37), Kansas City Chiefs: $2 million – UFA
• Nick Mullens (27), Minnesota Vikings: $2 million – UFA
• Drew Lock (26), Seattle Seahawks: $1.7 million – UFA
• Brandon Allen (30), Cincinnati Bengals: $1.5 million – UFA
• Josh Johnson (36), San Francisco 49ers: $1.1 million – UFA
• Nate Sudfeld (29), Detroit Lions: $1.03 million – UFA
• Nathan Peterman (28), Chicago Bears: $1.03 million – UFA
• Cooper Rush (29), Dallas Cowboys: $977,500 – UFA
• Brett Rypien (26), Denver Broncos: $965,000 – UFA
• Trace McSorley (27), Arizona Cardinals: $850,000 – UFA
• Jarrett Stidham (26), Las Vegas Raiders: $788,423 – UFA
• Bryce Perkins (25), Los Angeles Rams: $742,500 – ERFA
• Easton Stick (27), Los Angeles Chargers: $699,391 – UFA
• Gardner Minshew (26), Philadelphia Eagles: $677,721 – UFA

Out of all those players, how many are getting re-signed by their current team?

I can see Lamar being re-signed.

Someone here once mentioned Brisset being intriguing...

Minshew sucks but he's not Sam Darnold to some here so he automatically is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[glenwo2]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

There's a dozen free agents that are better than Sam available as a temporary or (shudder) long term solution.

Brisset is someone I'd look into.

[Gerry Green]

2 minutes ago, djp14 said:

• Tom Brady (45), Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $15 million – UFA
• Baker Mayfield (27), Los Angeles Rams: $8.1 million – UFA
• Sam Darnold (25), Carolina Panthers: $7.5 million – UFA
• Jimmy Garoppolo (31), San Francisco 49ers: $7 million – UFA
• Teddy Bridgewater (30), Miami Dolphins: $6.5 million – UFA
• Daniel Jones (25), New York Giants: $6.4 million – UFA
• Case Keenum (34), Buffalo Bills: $6 million – UFA
• Mason Rudolph (27), Pittsburgh Steelers: $5.08 million – UFA
• Jacoby Brissett (30), Cleveland Browns: $4.6 million – UFA
• Geno Smith (32), Seattle Seahawks: $3.5 million – UFA
• Joe Flacco (37), New York Jets: $3.5 million – UFA
• Andy Dalton (35), New Orleans Saints: $3 million – UFA
• Mike White (27), New York Jets: $2.5 million – UFA
• C.J. Beathard (29), Jacksonville Jaguars: $2.5 million – UFA
• Kyle Allen (26), Houston Texans: $2.5 million – UFA
• Taylor Heinicke (29), Washington Commanders: $2.3 million – UFA
• Lamar Jackson (25), Baltimore Ravens: $2.3 million – UFA
• Blaine Gabbert (33), Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $2.2 million – UFA
• Chase Daniel (36), Los Angeles Chargers: $2 million – UFA
• Chad Henne (37), Kansas City Chiefs: $2 million – UFA
• Nick Mullens (27), Minnesota Vikings: $2 million – UFA
• Drew Lock (26), Seattle Seahawks: $1.7 million – UFA
• Brandon Allen (30), Cincinnati Bengals: $1.5 million – UFA
• Josh Johnson (36), San Francisco 49ers: $1.1 million – UFA
• Nate Sudfeld (29), Detroit Lions: $1.03 million – UFA
• Nathan Peterman (28), Chicago Bears: $1.03 million – UFA
• Cooper Rush (29), Dallas Cowboys: $977,500 – UFA
• Brett Rypien (26), Denver Broncos: $965,000 – UFA
• Trace McSorley (27), Arizona Cardinals: $850,000 – UFA
• Jarrett Stidham (26), Las Vegas Raiders: $788,423 – UFA
• Bryce Perkins (25), Los Angeles Rams: $742,500 – ERFA
• Easton Stick (27), Los Angeles Chargers: $699,391 – UFA
• Gardner Minshew (26), Philadelphia Eagles: $677,721 – UFA

 

And how many of those would you realistically be willing to bring in as a starter?

 

I'd take Minshew. 

 

As an aside; I can't even fathom that Chad Henne is still in the league. That boggles the mind.

[mav1234]

Just now, glenwo2 said:

Out of all those players, how many are getting re-signed by their current team?

I can see Lamar being re-signed.

Someone here once mentioned Brisset being intriguing...

Minshew sucks but he's not Sam Darnold to some here so he automatically is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I absolutely do not love Minshew but it is hard to argue that he wouldn't be an upgrade over Sammy D. In 33 fewer starts, he's scored only 11 fewer TDs. His career int % is EXTREMELY low, lower than Sam's is in his limited work this year. I'm not saying he's a long term answer, but as a backup? yeah, an upgrade.

[Gerry Green]

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

There's a dozen free agents that are better than Sam available as a temporary or (shudder) long term solution.

 

I see what you mean. I don't really see a solution. But if we draft another QB, we will need someone to help mentor both him and Matt.