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Mr. Scot

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Just now, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Ok, fair.

But what if the team, hopefully employed by men and women educated to be in that posotion, think Sean IS the answer? What if they think giving up assets is worth it, think full control is OK due to Payton's plan, think he will be successful, and believe in his plan for QB? Will you just call them idiots?

This is more a case that you're an armchair GM/HC type, like most of us here.

It's been reported that Payton wants full control, and Joe Person erson went as far as to say that the current group of football people (including Fitterer and Morgan) would likely be looking for work after Payton got in and hired his own people.

If he's the hire it's gonna be a Tepper decision.

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2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I don’t know what Payton loyalties are.. Him and Loomis are close and if the 2 1st round things are true why wouldn’t he wait this out another year where they can’t asked for that level of compensation?? It obviously hurts the new team right?? And his abilities to get talent right??

Are they close? Why did he leave? 

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4 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

I'll give you that, his staff in NY was an Allstar coaching staff too. He just hated the GM of the giants.

However any of those three situations would be a vast improvement from where the Panthers have been since 2018 or so.  

Does dumping Fitterer and Morgan in favor of guys like Jeff Ireland sound like a better situation to you?

That's one of the expectations if Payton is the guy.

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3 minutes ago, Stuart Smith said:

My humble prediction, I may be as close to nailing it as Mel Kipers draft picks. 

Houston: DeMeco Ryans

Denver: Sean Payton

Carolina: Shane Steichen

i see a slight possibility for Wilkes in Carolina, but I think Tepper is hell bent on offensive coach. I hope I’m wrong. Defense still wins championships. If Tepper moves off of Wilkes as HC I see him trying to offer him a position to placate the fanbase. Just my thoughts. 

Probably as good a guess as any. 

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2 minutes ago, HPPantherzfan said:

Not a Payton person, don't really care if its him but also wouldn't throw myself off of a bridge if we do hire him like others seem.  But you could play devil's advocate with this comment.  Perhaps we are using them to rebuild?  We are a competent coach and a couple of players away from dominating the south for years.  With the current players, if we had an above average coach we could have started that dynasty...this year!

We still need a QB.. They do to.. With a rookie QB deal their cap issues aren’t as bad and they aren’t far away from being a problem for years.. If we’re giving up assets to get our biggest need how does that work??

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If you look at this in the lens of not retread coaches that were hired off the street, but specifically coaches that were traded, it looks a lot better:

Don Shula (1970): traded from Baltimore Colts to Miami Dolphins for a first round pick

  • 71-23 record with Colts
  • 257-133-2 record with Dolphins, two SB wins

Bill Parcells (1997): traded from Patriots to Jets for a first, second, third, and fourth 

  • 32-32 record with Patriots
  • 29-19 record with Jets, one AFC championship game appearance

Mike Holmgren (1999): traded from Packers to Seahawks for a second round pick

  • 75-37 record with Packers, one SB win
  • 86-74 record with Seahawks, one NFC Championship, one SB appearance

Bill Belichick (2000): traded from Jets to Patriots for a first, fourth, fifth, and seventh (got back a fifth and a seventh as well, I believe)

  • Never actually coached a game with the Jets, but 36-44 as Cleveland HC
  • 262-108 record with Patriots, six SB wins, nine AFC championships

Jon Gruden (2002): traded from Raiders to Bucs for a two firsts, two seconds, and $8m in cash

  • 38-26 record with Raiders, one AFC championship game appearance
  • 57-55 record with Bucs, one SB win

Herm Edwards (2006): traded from Jets to Chiefs for a fourth round pick

  • 39-41 record with Jets
  • 15-33 record with Chiefs

Bruce Arians (2019): traded from Cardinals to Bucs for a pick swap (Arians and a 7th for a 6th)

  • 49-30-1 record with Cardinals, one NFC championship game appearance
  • 31-18 record, one SB win

So basically, pretty much every coach trade ended up being successful for the acquiring team except for the Herm Edwards trade (which looking back on, was bizarre and, prior to Arians trade, netted the least compensation).

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Does dumping Fitterer and Morgan in favor of guys like Jeff Ireland sound like a better situation to you?

That's one of the expectations if Payton is the guy.

Not to mention maybe losing Tabor and Camping because Payton wants his coaches..

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Just now, UNCrules2187 said:

If you look at this in the lens of not retread coaches that were hired off the street, but specifically coaches that were traded, it looks a lot better:

Don Shula (1970): traded from Baltimore Colts to Miami Dolphins for a first round pick

  • 71-23 record with Colts
  • 257-133-2 record with Dolphins, two SB wins

Bill Parcells (1997): traded from Patriots to Jets for a first, second, third, and fourth 

  • 32-32 record with Patriots
  • 29-19 record with Jets, one AFC championship game appearance

Mike Holmgren (1999): traded from Packers to Seahawks for a second round pick

  • 75-37 record with Packers, one SB win
  • 86-74 record with Seahawks, one NFC Championship, one SB appearance

Bill Belichick (2000): traded from Jets to Patriots for a first, fourth, fifth, and seventh (got back a fifth and a seventh as well, I believe)

  • Never actually coached a game with the Jets, but 36-44 as Cleveland HC
  • 262-108 record with Patriots, six SB wins, nine AFC championships

Jon Gruden (2002): traded from Raiders to Bucs for a two firsts, two seconds, and $8m in cash

  • 38-26 record with Raiders, one AFC championship game appearance
  • 57-55 record with Bucs, one SB win

Herm Edwards (2006): traded from Jets to Chiefs for a fourth round pick

  • 39-41 record with Jets
  • 15-33 record with Chiefs

Bruce Arians (2019): traded from Cardinals to Bucs for a pick swap (Arians and a 7th for a 6th)

  • 49-30-1 record with Cardinals, one NFC championship game appearance
  • 31-18 record, one SB win

So basically, pretty much every coach trade ended up being successful for the acquiring team except for the Herm Edwards trade (which looking back on, was bizarre and, prior to Arians trade, netted the least compensation).

Did any of those coaches win a Super Bowl with their first team?

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1 minute ago, UNCrules2187 said:

If you look at this in the lens of not retread coaches that were hired off the street, but specifically coaches that were traded, it looks a lot better:

Don Shula (1970): traded from Baltimore Colts to Miami Dolphins for a first round pick

  • 71-23 record with Colts
  • 257-133-2 record with Dolphins, two SB wins

Bill Parcells (1997): traded from Patriots to Jets for a first, second, third, and fourth 

  • 32-32 record with Patriots
  • 29-19 record with Jets, one AFC championship game appearance

Mike Holmgren (1999): traded from Packers to Seahawks for a second round pick

  • 75-37 record with Packers, one SB win
  • 86-74 record with Seahawks, one NFC Championship, one SB appearance

Bill Belichick (2000): traded from Jets to Patriots for a first, fourth, fifth, and seventh (got back a fifth and a seventh as well, I believe)

  • Never actually coached a game with the Jets, but 36-44 as Cleveland HC
  • 262-108 record with Patriots, six SB wins, nine AFC championships

Jon Gruden (2002): traded from Raiders to Bucs for a two firsts, two seconds, and $8m in cash

  • 38-26 record with Raiders, one AFC championship game appearance
  • 57-55 record with Bucs, one SB win

Herm Edwards (2006): traded from Jets to Chiefs for a fourth round pick

  • 39-41 record with Jets
  • 15-33 record with Chiefs

Bruce Arians (2019): traded from Cardinals to Bucs for a pick swap (Arians and a 7th for a 6th)

  • 49-30-1 record with Cardinals, one NFC championship game appearance
  • 31-18 record, one SB win

So basically, pretty much every coach trade ended up being successful for the acquiring team except for the Herm Edwards trade (which looking back on, was bizarre and, prior to Arians trade, netted the least compensation).

Where in your breakdown is 2 1st round picks and the team trading needing a QB??

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Did any of those coaches win a Super Bowl with their first team?

Holmgren and he made it back to the Super Bowl with Seattle. But in any case, I don't particularly think it's relevant given the sample size is small as hell, there's only been 7 coach trades in the league's entire history. 

Look, I get it, you don't want Payton and think it would be a bad hire no matter what. I don't think the "no coach has won a SB with two different teams" thing is as much of a smoking gun as you make it out to be given the sample sizes aren't that big to begin with. It'll happen eventually. 

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